Isha Yoga – just another scam

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A friend of mine wanted to visit this dhyanalingam temple of Isha Yoga (@coimbatore).I have heard a lot of good things about Isha through some of my friends, relatives and they are all over the media, naturally i was curious. so i accompanied him.

Now these are the things i have learnt about Isha through the people who have been there,

  • You go there to get enlightened, people respect each other more and be very compassionate, even towards plants.
  • Isha yoga is not based on any religion
  • Sathguru claims that his methods are scientific

So these where the expectations i had, when i entered their ‘temple’,

my first shock was when i noticed that the volunteers and residents there who are supposed to be enlightened showed clear signs of frustration.

There is this one kid who is running here and there and these guys are giving a death look to his parents asking them to catch hold of him.

Another instance,within the temple there is this another kid who strays away from the line and starts inspecting the walls, and some isha guy comes and threatens him! mind you the kid was just touching the walls nothing more.

There was this other supposed teacher who was preching a couple of guys, so i mingled in the group wanting to know more.

He was saying how great sathguru is, how his energy levels are in a dreamy eye like how a small kid talks about his imaginary super hero.

we were all sitting in the grass, so all this time he was casually plucking the grass to keep his hands busy! where is the supposed compassion towards even plants? Also i saw so much wood work everywhere , from beautifully decorated wooden doors to ornamental objects, i didnt expect to see this in an organization which supposedly promotes itself as tree loving.

This guy continues saying that because dhyanalinga traps so much bad energy they have constructed this new bhairavi temple and he claims its so powerful that nothing wrong will happen within 13 kms! Wonder how they found it is 13 km may be because Coimbatore is 20 km away and for 13 kms around the temple there are only very small villages and mostly forest.
And he continues saying that It is because Tamil nadu has all these temples that it is free from many major disasters and that it is safe (tsunami?). He also claims that the US people wanted sathguru to build something like this in their country in a meeting and he said very boastfully that a lot of people stood up and objected to this. Tamilnadu will always be awesome, he told it with so much pride!! Now hold on for a second, aren’t people supposed to be treated equal? Shouldn’t they be struggling to have this everywhere so everybody in the world are happy ? Racial Discrimination is a virtue of the yogis now?

Then he started talking all abstract ridiculous stuff like vibration and energy levels, that’s when I decided i have had enough and went to the bhairavi temple.

Now isha claims it is non religious and meant for all religion, but trith is except for a small marble stone in the entrance where they have symbols of all the religions, every other place screams Hinduism!

  • A huge nandhi sits outside the isha building.
  • Behind the dhyanalinga building they have a huge marble with lord shivas face etched!
  • The bhairavi temple has a trishul where people tie yellow ropes after praying!
  • They give kum kum !
  • Within the temple they have chantings praising lord shiva.

Now tell me this isn’t Hinduism!

I am not saying Hinduism is a bad thing per se, but why should they hide it? what do they gain by hiding it, so they can attract more people?

The other thing i noted is how they demand money for everything. they say a red rope when tied around your hand will improve your ‘vibration’ but you have to pay 5 rs for it! its just a very small piece of rope, if enlightening people is your objective shouldnt you be giving it away for free? or atleast for a nominal fee? why would you sell it for a profit?they also sell a red handkerchief sized cloth for 20 Rs.
Before entering the dhyanalinga you are asked to go to theerthakund where you can wash your feet or get a bath, guess what each person has to pay 10Rs for that.
Outside they have a store selling isha merchandise, they sell everything from isha branded soaps to night pants at a very high price.
The building and temples were far from being modest, they are very fine pieces of art with so much attention to details. It would have costed a fortune.
Sathguru himself has a very luxurious accomodation.
I find it hard to accept this is a foundation which preaches modesty and simplicity.

See where they are building their next ashram, in the United States !! Is it because of all the countries in the world, people in the US are suffering the most and in dire need of enlightenment?

As usual whenever we raise these questions, people will say they they do this good thing and that, but to me it looks like a front for all their bullshit so that people can defend them if something leaks out. Because honestly do you think these are the practices of a foundation which preaches enlightenment?

All their behaviours clearly point them towards being a cult, please read through the following link which show some characteristics of cult’s.
http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm

After seeing all these things, i was pretty upset by the time i reached my home. I looged on to the internet to see if anybody else has found anything suspecious with Isha, guess what i am not alone! even ex ishaites have blogged their problems.

here is a very length discussion on Isha and Jaggi,
http://guruphiliac.lefora.com/2009/03/17/sadhguru-and-the-isha-foundation/

the user Velliangiri of that forum has summed it up very nicely,

  • Was Jaggi accused of killing his wife Viji by her parents? Yes
    Was there another women involved in this matter? Yes
    Did this women divorce and leave her family? Yes
    Was she the closest disciple of Jaggi in a previous life time? Yes
    Is she a Brahmachari/Sanyasi now? No
    Is her life opulent in the ashram just like Jaggi’s? Yes
    Did Jaggi initiate his young daughter into Brahmacharya? No
    Is he initiating other young girls/boys into Brahmacharya? Yes
    Did his daughter ever do volunteering? No
    Did she ever go through long term/permanent ashram life in her teens like Samskrithi kids? No
    Is there any objective proof/witnesses of Jaggi solidifying mercury? No
    Is there an objective proof that he learned and practiced yoga from Malladihalli Swami? No
    Is there an objective proof that he was student of Rishi Prabhakar for more than a year? Yes(1)
    Is Jaggi and his colleagues are teaching the same yoga, meditation and BSP with minor differences? Yes
    Did Jaggi ever gave credit to/confessed about Rishi Prabhakar? No
    Did Jaggi’s contemporary/colleague Ravisankar Mysore Ramakrishna commented about Jaggi’s plagiarism and lies? Yes(1)
    Is there an objective way to confirm Jaggi’s enlightenment before taking his programs? Yes(2)
    Is he a self confessed liar? Yes
    Does Jaggi have political tie-ups? Yes
    Does he shadow celebrities and crave media attention? Yes
    Did Isha ever disclose their social outreach program details/numbers to public? No
    Is Isha a 100% volunteer run organization? No
    Did Isha use/is using immoral tactics to usurp land? Yes
    Are Isha fanatics waiting for an utopian mass enlightenment never explicitly promised by Jaggi? Yes
    Are they dangerously delusional/hypocritical? Yes

1.http://harmanjit.blogspot.com/2007/10/sadhgurus-lineage.html

http://www.blogger.com/profile/17667691388665612640

Ravisankar Mysore Ramakrishna

the arguments and counter arguments about Jaggi and his life are interesting. One fact I wish to share is we both got trained by Guruji Rishi Prabhakar in the years 1984-86. e both took SSY teachers training together in Gommatagiiri near Mysore. We did SSY classes together and westarted the Hyderabad center of Rishi Samskruti Vidya Kendra under Guruji. then he was sent by Guruji Rishi Prabhakar to Coimbatore to start center there. there he slowly left the organization and started his own. He renamed himself as Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev and became popular. His Guru Rishi Prbhakar will not cclaim him to be his student as Jaggi has not lived upto his word. there is no secrecy in these matters. Jaggi himself will accept it(I still believe he is truthful). I have not contacted him so far after he left Guruji Rishi Prabhakar.

2.Jaggi ‘Jatti’ test (aka) Red underwear test of enlightenment.

Jaggi’s biography(Sadhguru by Arundhathi) says he saw his kinder garden teacher’s red underwear and asked her about it when he was 6. She freaked out. He always could see inner organs and garments. So ask the color of your underwear when you get a chance. Before sucked into his direct/subtle claims of spirituality give him this test. This is for your benefit and everybody around you. If he passes then you can be sure of your fast forward enlightenment.
/s

more reading:

http://www.priyankawriting.com/2009/10/my-life-isha-yoga-center.html

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,59190,page=1
http://expertdabbler.com/2009/04/08/isha-yoga-my-perspective

For tamil readers:

http://savukkuonline.com/9223/

http://savukkuonline.com/9401/

http://newsavukku.com/4455

http://www.savukku.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1777:2013-03-10-10-05-51&catid=1:2010-07-12-16-58-06&Itemid=19

 

Another excellent article which is kind of related:

http://kafila.org/2014/12/28/real-estate-of-religionsatya-sagar/

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131 Responses to “Isha Yoga – just another scam”

  1. Colonel Zaysen Says:

    I had the same feeling like you have when I visited the Ashram as early as 2007. I have posted all that I felt of Sadhguru at http://zaysen.blogspot.com
    Zaysen

    • Yogi Says:

      That was an interesting read thank you. It’s horrible to see all these people sacrifising their lives for somebody to get rich.

  2. SWAMI Says:

    You are absolutely right. Even I felt the same when I visited Velliangiri. I felt it like a theme park.This person is cheating the people in the name of Yoga and God. He says that they work for the upliftment of rural people and running a hospital for them. But in reality ,they sell everything for high price and the uplift themselves. I feel very pity for the poor souls who follow him.

    • R.sundaresan Says:

      People an easily be prejudiced with what they see in the ashram like the shop selling books and other merchandise. The books are not expensive as they hardly meet the cost and the videos and other publications are relatively cheaper than similar products outside. The handicrafts are meant for foreigners who visit the Ashram and generally not for the local public and the prices are related to Us$ price for similar products available in USA or Europe. The Local public can buy similar products in any local shops in their places at a much cheaper price. One must know thousand of visitors flock the Ashram out of reverence for sadhguru and providing even basic amenities like parking, electricity, food at subsidised rates all cost money that does not grow in trees. Further Ashram has built lot of amenities for program participants and these facilities are not occupied throughout the year. But they need maintenance through out the year. The only person who could mobilise funds for running the Ashram is sadhguru and no one else can do that without him. But what people get back in return is something the words cannot explain. There is no compulsion for any one to visit the Ashram or attend any programs or pay donations. It is all voluntary and hence to cast aspersions is nothing but frustration on the part of those who suffer from a big ego in themselves. please dont analyse the physical aspects of sadhguru but look beyond that and listen towhat he says. I am yet to come across any one who can speak with such clarity on spiritual matters. If such clarity has to come it requires extraordinary understanding of the cosmos and it does not happen to every one.

      • Yogi Says:

        Hello Sundaresan thank you for putting your thoughts on this. I apologise for the late reply i procrastinate a lot and it was exam time so it took me some extra time to get back to you.
        I always believe in hearing both sides of the story. Assuming you are not some
        Public relations guy for Isha from mumbai, let me try to address some
        of your points, not as eloquently as you but let me try.

        Regarding selling books and some stuff for a relatively normal price
        yeah i side with you. Maybe they aren’t as overpriced, my memory is poor,
        i don’t remember the cost very well and i will give you the benefit of
        doubt. But that’s about the only thing i can agree with you.
        Saying things like the products are meant for US people in a place frequented
        mostly by Indians doesn’t make any sense to me, also like you yourself
        said they can be bought for a cheap price elsewhere, so in effect you
        are agreeing they are fleecing foreigners?

        Regarding the amenities, Now i agree money doesn’t grow in trees ,
        keeping that in mind if you have ever visited the ashram you would
        have noticed that every material they have used for building the
        ashram are exquisitively crafted high quality stuff. I just cannot
        imagine somebody who is enlightened spending money on vanity! When
        there are poor mouths to feed ,especially when it is other peoples
        money. I assume you will agree that there is a difference between
        basic necessity and luxurious need.

        There is no compulsion indeed to visit the ashram, but you know how
        easy people can be brainwashed , hell even Hitler had followers. Also you guys conduct programs regularly in rural areas. Even i
        asked my dad to attend the program before i knew better.
        I have listened to what he says, he is a good speaker i will give him
        that, but you saying that he understands cosmos better than anybody is just
        goddamn ridiculous. One time for instance director Bhagyaraj asked him
        a simple and direct question , you say there are 7 lives, how do you
        know? Listen to his answer if you haven’t already. People in politics
        have especially mastered this craft, for a question they will say some
        unrelated answer, at the end of which we will be confused as to what
        the hell did we ask in the first place.

        You guys throw around the word ego for every thing, if people question
        your belief you people say those with ego wont accept. How convenient!
        One more thing I have to add is, I felt personally that the people at Isha are smug elitist (at least most of them I saw) people who think they are better than others from the way they talk and behave with the normal people who visit their ashram, so may be the ego you talked about is the other way around.

        Saying you should not look at what he does, but only listen to what he says is hard to accept. Wont this make him a hypocrite then? and what kind of enlightenment is that?

      • Hanish Says:

        Why this can’t be at a cheaper rate when religion should not be commercialised/

      • Filip Sandor Says:

        And suddenly, as eloquently as SWAMI entered, he has vanished like the wind – for Isha is not about logic, science or even common sense, but the word or to put it more accurately, the “IMAGE!”

        AAUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM…

  3. Samrithi Says:

    I visited the IYC in this past month for the first time and with no background with the organization other than viewing some talks of sadhguru online. I just wanted to say that I found the experience to be very beautiful. Every volunteer at the ashram treated my husband and I with kindness and respect. Sometimes they even went out of their way to help us and if they could not provide what we were looking for, they tried their best to give whatever they could in a lovely spirit of giving. Being in the ashram was very peaceful and touched my heart. Sadhguru was not present at the ashram but still the atmosphere was very spiritual and disciplined. I do not mind the prices of things as long as profits are being used for essential things for the betterment of all. Such a space and many of the service projects being conducted by Isha do need money to work. As far as I could see many of the local communities seem to have been helped by the ashram in terms of employment and education and other services. When it comes to whether Sadhguru can lead people to a higher spiritual state, I think it is for the individual to explore and decide on that. By listening to others we can only choose to believe or not believe but if something stirs your curiosity, self exploration will give you the truth.

    • Yogi Says:

      Hi Samruthi, I am very happy to hear that you had a positive experience with ISHA, good for you!

      I see where you are coming from, if i had the same experience may be i would say the same thing as you.

      However aren’t we morally obliged to reject things which might hurt others even if it might be beneficial for us personally? Lets say a company hires children and forces them to work 20 hours a day and produces a beautiful dress, magnificent it may be but would you support such a business? is it morally justifiable? wont that make us selfish?

      Lets see what organizations such as Isha promote,
      -Inequality ->hierarchy and belief that some people are better than others.
      -Promote the notion of personal salvation as opposed to happiness for all through political and economic reform.
      -Accustom people, especially children, to lies.
      -Blind faith, make people believe whatever a person in authority says, discouraging people from thinking for themselves
      -The families it damages because one person decides to forego his life and family, believing something which may not be even true. Problem is once you get inside, even if the evidence that something is not right stares right at your face, psychologically you cannot come to accept that (Google backfire effect and confirmation bias). take the Nithyanandha`s fiasco for instance, he still has ardent followers.
      -Read about JonesTown Massacre if you don’t know already, that’s what happens if people believe everything they see or feel is true.

      If ISHA is really such a good institution ,why cant they be more open with their spending’s? why cant sathguru give proper explanation for accusations against him, if he really did solidify mercury at room temperature (he claims so), why not show it in front of scientists so we can all recognize his magnificence? why do they have to lie about being no crimes around the temple? why does a honest organization be shrouded in mystery?

      There are real institutions, NGO`s where people work day and night for the betterment of all people, if people would join such institutions wont it be better for everybody?
      Of course such kind of thing almost always require hard work on our part, we would rather sit comfortably and meditate, give money to some company, get content that we helped the society and feel all elated about ourselves. Sadly it is but human nature.

  4. V.L.Natarajan Says:

    Dear sir,

    Find below a mail sent to MOEF,Govt Of India , which is self explanatory.

    Through your media and friends circle, I request you to educate people on danger of Mercury in cultural, spiritual & other applications and ask them to do away from such inhuman rituals, to make our environment a safe place to live at least to our future generation.
    Should you need any further information on Mercury, please feel free to write to me.
    Regards,
    V.L.Natarajan,

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Natarajan V.L.
    Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM
    Subject: Mercury Hazard from cultural and spiritual applications.
    To: jayanthi.n@sansad.nic.in, mosefgoi@nic.in

    To : Minister for Environment & Forest, Govt. Of India,N Delhi : 110001,

    Respected madam,

    I work with United Nations Environment Program ( UNEP ) as Partner for reduction of Mercury from all applications.

    Mercury is highly neurotoxin and is dangerous to mankind and environment.If it enters body through inhalation or oral dosage, it can cause dementia/lassitude/brain damage/alzheimers disease/ even death. Mercury is in liquid form at room temperature and even slight temperature rise in the surrounding can make mercury to become vapor and it can easily get into human body through inhalation. Mercury in water can become Methyl Mercury, which is again a dangerous substance to human and surrounding eco system. If a person is exposed to even 4-5 minutes in a very low level of Mercury environment, it can effect.Mercury is odorless and it is difficult to say if one is inhaling Mercury lased air/water. Mercury is more detrimental in children and pregnant women since it easily gets absorbed in them.

    Study has been done by University of Calgary,Canada how Mercury can damage brain and see web link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf6uCw2ztxw to understand the problem associated with Mercury.

    Mercury is used in health care sector, dental amalgam, chlor- alkali industry, CFL lamps, batteries, paint and coatings, etc. Huge amount of Mercury is let off from thermal power plant/cement plants while burning coal which travels along with air and gets deposited far away places and hence, a trans border problem.There has been some awareness about the Mercury Hazard in these sectors and lot has to be done in these sectors for mercury free/reduction programs.

    In India another major source of Mercury Hazard is from cultural and spiritual applications,which is being done out of belief, which has no scientific evidence. I believe usage of Mercury in this sector in India may surpass usage of Mercury in all other sector put together.Use of Mercury is rising in this sector.

    1) Isha Foundation, Coimbatore : This is run by Jaggi Vasudev and the receipient of “Indira Gandhi Paryavaran Puraskar ( IGPP )” for the year 2008 from your ministry for Significant and measurable contribution in the filed of Environment protection and improvement.As per THiNK 2012, Jaggi Vasudev is mentioned as voted 100 most powerful Indian for his contributions to the field of Environmental protection and Ecological concerns.
    They have a pond in which 700 Kg Mercury based idol is immersed and they recommend visitors and discipline to have bath inside the pond for better spiritual enhancement ( see their web link : http://www.dhyanalinga.org/theerthakund_qa.htm and explanation ).Their main idol Dhyanalinga and Lingabhairavi has also Mercury in it in large quantity ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzDujHZEO7o ( see at 1.3 minutes and 2.16 minutes where they are handling Mercury by hand ).Recently they have opened another Pond in the name of Suryakund in which again 3 large Mercury based Idol for men for spiritual receptivity ( see their web link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YykjJ8jJDc4 ). Also see link : http://blog.ishafoundation.org/inside-isha/happenings/suryakund-live-blog/

    They also say to have bath in these ponds if having any ailments,so that they will be cured.

    Jaggi Vasudev receipient of IGPP award is supposed to be a role model to the society and if such a person resort to such activities,what would happen to others which are unnoticed.

    2) Yogiraj Siddhanath’s Forest Ashram,Pune:They have 1000 Kg weighing Mercury Idol.Also, refer their link Alchemy of total transformation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQZxp2TXpNc&feature=relmfu for explanation.See their link:http://www.panoramio.com/photo/34886948

    3) Siddha Ashram, Ujjain by Swamy Naradanad : It has 2500 Kg weighing Mercury Idol.See their link : http://www.siddhaashram.net/paras_shivalinga/index.htm

    4) Mahamerupeetam,Bilaspur: See their link: http://mahamerupeetam.in/about_swamiji

    5) In Andhra Pradesh : See link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lll7ioBMIBQ&feature=related

    6) In Tamil Nadu : How they make these Mercury idols in crude way and explanation :

    See link : http://www.gurudevar.com/2011/03/12/rasamani-making-in-kalvam/

    http://www.gurudevar.com/2011/04/02/every-information-about-rasamani-steps-test-how-it-works/

    http://www.gurudevar.com/2011/03/12/rasamani-lingam-statue-made-from-hand/

    http://www.gurudevar.com/2011/03/12/rasamani-filtering-and-shaping-into-balls/

    7) There are many more Mercury idols in Delhi, Haridwar, Maharashtra,etc,which I can send you the details.

    8) There are innumerable Sky shops in internet and spiritual/cultural outlets in India, which sells Parad Mercury idols/cups/beads/rings.They claim spiritual receptivity increases, if one is surrounded in Mercury pond or idol. If they do pooja every day or drink milk/holy water from Parad cup, then all their problem would get solved and they achieve what they desire such as wealth, fame, health, etc.

    Just google” Parad idols” in internet, then so many sites would pop up selling all kind of Mercury based prducts for spiritual applications.

    Refer United Nations policy on Mercury in cultural applications : http://www.chem.unep.ch/mercury/awareness_raising_package/G_01-16_BD.pdf for you to understand problem with Mercury.

    I am enclosing herewith a file “Creating Networks & Information for Mercury Policy in India and Europe” done by Toxics Link, which has done Leaching behaviour of Parad Mercury idol in milk and water( see page 43 to 56 ) and indeed it is leaching and harmful.

    In early 80’s Hindustan Unilever Ltd (earlier Pond’s India Ltd) dismantled their Mercury Thermometer plant from US( due to Mercury legislation and local protest in US) and set up the unit in Kodaikanal,T.Nadu. In short time people working in the plant and neighbourhood realised danger associated with Mercury.At least 45 Mercury related death and innumerable Mercury related diseases are reported and finally this unit was closed and still compensation litigation is going on.See attached file Basel Action Network on Mercury.

    What would happen to people and environment near by these sites and also to people visiting these sites?

    In many countries Mercury is banned due to its problem associated with human kind. Industry is going away from Mercury to safer methods. Even in health care sector, WHO has come out with Mercury free policy, looking at the danger associated with mercury: http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/medicalwaste/mercurypolpaper.pdf

    By way of this mail, I request government to bring in some legislation in use of Mercury for these unscientific ways. Or request Pollution control board/government to step in to enact law for banning use of Mercury for spiritual and cultural application.They can educate people on Mercury hazard by putting up information in mass media (print/visual, hand outs, posters etc).

    I also request you to withdraw withdraw Indiran Gandhi Paryavan Puraskar( IGPP ) awarded to Isha Foundation immediately and ask them to do away with Mercury from their surrounding and once they do away with Mercury, then IGPP can be given back to them. This would act as deterrent for others, not to do such things in future.

    I can send you further information on Mercury, please feel free to write to me

    Request you to take up necessary action to ban/reduce of use of Mercury in spiritul and cultural areas.Also, withdraw IGPP award from Isha Foundation and give back IGPP to them, once they are Mercury free.

    Kindly acknowledge receipt of this e-mail and awaiting your immediate reply.

    Thanking you,
    Regards,
    V.L.Natarajan,
    natarajanvaidyanathapuram@gmail.com
    .
    ” Basel Action Network:

    Room > Press Releases

    Hindustan Lever admits to dumping of mercury-containing wastes
    New Delhi, 22/03/2001
    By Toxics Link

    Hindustan Lever, which had earlier denied charges levelled by citizen groups in Kodaikanal against its thermometer factory of illegal mercury waste dumping, has admitted that the mercury-containing glass wastes, now ascertained to be 5.3 tonnes, lying at the Munjikal scrap yard in Kodaikanal originated from their factory. In a letter to Greenpeace India, the company has also agreed to track and retrieve other such shipments, which have been sent to various locations outside the factory, and to having cleared the wastes that were found to be dumped in the watershed forests behind the factory wall.

    The Tamil Nadu Alliance Against Mercury, while welcoming these admissions is irked that Hindustan Lever has not yet apologised to the community, and is downplaying the extent of their bad practices evident from the fact that several shipments of potentially-mercury contaminated wastes sent over the last 17 years of operation may now be untraceable and spread out over various parts of Tamil Nadu and beyond.

    “HLL’s admission of their dumping is a good first step, but discussions with the company cannot begin in earnest, until the company offers a public apology to the community,” said Navroz Mody, TAAM member and Greenpeace India’s campaign director. “HLL should realise that this matter goes beyond mere financial compensation and remediation which can never fully make up for the damage to the quality of life and environment. More importantly, they should realise that if such dumps were found in London or Amsterdam, where Unilever is based, the company would be in deep trouble.”

    Hindustan Lever has said it has employed an international consultant, Dames & Moore to provide them with advice on assessing and remediating the environmental consequences of their waste dumping. The Indian representatives of this company have submitted a protocol to clear the 5.23 tonnes of mercury-contaminated wastes lying in Munjikal.

    At a press conference held in Chennai today, TAAM stated:

    Our concern extends beyond the Munjikal dump. The fact that this company, which vehemently denied all charges of wrongdoing, now admits that such wastes may be lying in various locations outside the factory fuels our concern of the long-term impact to the water bodies in those areas.
    The Alliance appeals to the Tamil Nadu public and to the Government to look out for any stockpiles or dumps of glass or thermometer wastes and report the same to the Alliance and/or the Tamil Nadu Pollution Control Board.
    Despite the company’s assurances that their production practices pose no risk to the workers, statements from workers and ex-workers recorded by the Alliance indicate that mercury was handled casually in the factory shop-floor lending weight to allegations by many workers of occupational exposure to mercury and associated health effects.
    “Workers tell us that mercury spillage on the floor, and intentional and accidental handling of mercury is routine within the factory. Workers were certainly exposed to mercury vapours, more in some sections than others,” said Dr. Kolhatkar, a medical doctor and member of the Kodaikanal Consumer Action Group.

    “If big companies like HLL practices such dangerous working conditions, then one dreads to think what small mercury thermometer factories around the country are doing”, said Madhumita Dutta, a TAAM member and activist with New Delhi-based Toxics Link.

    Incidentally, two months ago 118 tonnes stockpile of used toxic mercury from a closed down US based chlorine-caustic factory was destined to be shipped to a secret recipient in India. The toxic trade was stopped due to huge international opposition from environmental groups around the world which includes Greenpeace, Toxics Link-India, Srishti-Delhi, Basel Action Network, All India Port and Dock Workers’ Federation, Penobscot Alliance for Mercury Elimination, Maine Peoples Alliance, Mercury Policy Project and the Natural Resources Council of Maine.

    “We strongly urge our government to take proactive measures and frame rules and policy with the ultimate goal of eliminating mercury and encourage adoption of safer alternatives to the limited application of mercury in the production processes and products”, said Basel Action Network spokesperson Ravi Agarwal in New Delhi.

    NOTES

    1. On March 7, residents of Kodaikanal, HLL’s ex-workers and environmental and human rights activists exposed from HLL’s recently discovered 15-ton mercury waste dumpsite to the factory gates to demand an immediate end to the mercury pollution. Mercury, in the presence of water, readily converts into methyl mercury, a deadly poison, which is persistent in the environment and moves through the food chain magnifying up to 100,000 times in quantity by the time it reaches the top predators in aquatic ecosystems.

    2. Hindustan Lever’s entire production from the thermometer factory is exported to the United States, for sale in Germany, UK, Spain, USA, Australia and Canada. The mercury for the plant is imported, mainly from the United States. The factory, set up in 1977, was a second-hand plant imported from Cheseborough Ponds from the United States, after the US factory was shutdown for unknown reasons. Hindustan Lever is a 51 percent owned subsidiary of Anglo-Dutch multinational Unilever.

    3. The Tamil Nadu Alliance Against Mercury comprises local, national and international environmental, worker and human rights organisations.

    4. Owing to the extreme toxicity of some of the mercury compounds and the practical difficulty in keeping pollution to harmless levels has resulted in various national and regional initiatives to eliminate all releases of mercury into the environment. In India, mercury is still classified as a low-level hazard according to the Ministry of Environment.

    5. Health warnings have been issued in 41 states in the United States advising people to reduce or avoid consumption of fresh water fish and certain seafood due to mercury contamination. Goals have been set to virtually eliminate mercury releases from human activities in the New England states, the Great Lakes region and other states and provinces

    6. Faced with growing environmental concerns surrounding the toxic metal, many US cities, states and hospitals are phasing out mercury thermometers as a first step towards eliminating mercury releases into the environment. Boston, San Francisco, and the US state of New Hampshire have outlawed mercury thermometers. In September 2000, 11 leading retailers and manufacturers in the United States, including Walmart, Kmart Corporation and Meijer’s Supermarkets, announced that they would terminate sales of mercury fever thermometers.

    For details, contact:
    Dr. Kolhatkar, Kodaikanal Consumer Action Group, Tel: 04542-41315.
    Navroz Mody, Greenpeace. Mobile: 09820194022. Tel: 044 4462401.
    Toxics Link, New Delhi. Tel: 91-11- 24328006, 24320711; Fax: 24321747.
    Ravi Agarwal, Basel Action Network (India). Tel: 011 4328006/4320711.

    For information on international mercury status:
    Visit the websites of the Basel Action Network and Mercury Policy Project.

  5. shannu Says:

    We are direct victim of isha s land grabbing,manipulative villans in kaavi dress,using their immense money and political power they bought media(if any media we call to cover the process they use to buy the land from poor farmer in that area with absolute proof they ll cover it but not be published coz they d be stopped by huge negotiation)police its been 6 times we have lodged complaint but it went in air we went to alandurai si,perur dsp,coimbatore sp every thing in vein. Normal people like us won’t get any justice in this country? Who’s the right people we need to contact?

  6. Mr killer Says:

    Thanks I hope this isha gets f’D over , cuz it’s kind of all fishy too me about how this guy is a spiritual master when all he does is ramble about random shit

  7. rajam Says:

    pl contact newsavukku@gmail.com. the will expose and help you

  8. Sam Says:

    They charged us Rs500 per head to attend a prayer. Once the ticket holders to the prayer were in the temple, they shut the temple doors – those that didn’t have a ticket were not able to join the prayer.

  9. Chander Says:

    Why don’t you try Isha yoga for 48 days and then write an article, that way it will be objective, Lot of things what you say may be true may not be true, in the end is he spritually helping people or not is what matters.

    Having gone through the course, it has helepd me a lot and he is helping a lot of people. I see some petty accusations here nothing else

    • Yogi Says:

      What i have mentioned here are based on my own personal experiences when i went there and based on my friends who have attended programs there. Personally i don’t want to encourage charlatans by giving them my money. That i think is my moral responsibility.

      A woman is dead under mysterious circumstances, acres of fertile forest is being destroyed to expand the ashram, do these things sound petty? Personal satisfaction is above all these things??

      Please do read about cult behaviours, of course it feels good, but what are we willing to sacrifice for the feel good factor?? Are we that selfish and blind??

    • yash Says:

      Nuisance

  10. Rathika Says:

    Very interesting,

    Money seems to have taken precedeence over everything..when what we should seek is experiences in life. If we wish to drive a luxury car or live a fancy life, why not? But why put a clause of money in there when it the experience we seek ? A car could come as a gift, lucky draw, possible? So can holidays. Money too has become a reason to jugde. Isnt money, just a mean to experience our hearts desire?

    But who said, if u r enlighten or lead a spritual life that u r not allowed to enjoy luxuries. Did god say that? Who said u cannot keep money under ur bed? How do we decide that money is being used for greater good or evil.isnt it all perception, based on experinces in life?

    Why do we jugde and spend time, focusing on so called weaknesses of others or for the matter of fact, why the need to even point out the strengths? are we happy? Truly happy every moment of every day?..then why doesnt our heart tell us to strive to make ourselves happy first. When we ourselves arent there yet, how can we direct n guide others?

    Do u make a bad parent, just cause u scold and correct ur child to prevent disaster? Does it then make the parent selfish or self centered? Who made us feel that being spritual means u are rid of all emotions? When did we come to a conclusion that noone should be corrected or disciplined in a spritual place?. Arent conditions necessary for us to live? Heartbeat, the breath..isnt it all conditions to be met.

    And why do we feel the need to defend n impose onto others what we feel is right n good. On one side defending n protecting by “enlightening” the poor, perceived brainless, gullible society and on the other hand,speaking on behalf of the silent guruji, trying to set things straight..defending his innocence.

    Maybe, just maybe, all we need to do is a self check to see where we r and just be happy.

    • Yogi Says:

      You know what? you sound eerily like jaggi himself, lot of complicated seemingly profound statements which appear correct in the surface.

      I agree with some of the things you said, for example i reflect your opinion about the experiences in life, about their importance over money.I remember reading a psychological study that confirms this, But i will have to disagree with you on the other things.

      You mention that who cares what you do with your money, a person is entitled to do what he wants with his money.
      To some extent, yeah why should i bother? But lets just ignore ethics?? How convenient, if everybody just wants to maximise their happiness do you think world would be a better place?? lets start justifying selfishness?? No religion tells you to maximise happiness or live life lavishly. Almost every religion places emphasis on being modest and humble. Why do you think that is?

      To you spending money lavishly might bring happiness, in the same context i derive happiness from hearing songs at full volume. So by your argument why should i care about my neighbours, its my happiness that matters right? Why should they care? They are just being nosey? Till people dont realise how globalization has intertwined everybody’s lives they wont know how their shiny new diamond earring affects some poor kid in africa.

      Of course it is difficult to determine if the money is being used for good or bad, but you dont decide to ignore it just because it is difficult, its always easy to look the other way. Shouldn’t we do at least what we can? Confronting the inequality around us, concern about our fellow beings, is what makes us human.

      There are countless people who have sacrificed their personal lives to give us 40 hour work days, our freedom and the life we have now is the fruit of their sacrifice. If they had just said fuck it all, let me just be happy. We wouldn’t have this life today.

      Scolding a kid for their own wellbeing does not make them bad parents, but if the parent/s think they are doing good for the kid when they in fact are spoiling him/her in reality, then of course it is bad parenting.Can all parents understand how their actions will affect their kids? If they did, we will only be surrounded by great people. good intentions alone does not produce good results. In our case the so called good intention is itself questionable. To correct a kids mistake threatening is not the only solution, why would you threaten a kid, cant you reason with him? Cant you talk kindly. And what was the mistake? Kids playing? Kids being kids?

      You contradict yourself, in one paragraph you say we should all just take care of our own lives and should not impose our beliefs on others and in the next paragraph you are defending jaggi saying he is only trying to correct our mistakes!!?? If he does it, it is correct, but if we do its wrong?

      • GurusBeKickinIt Says:

        Yogi wrote: “…you sound eerily like jaggi himself…”

        That’s EXACTLY what I thought after reading the post of “Rathika”.

        Here’s a tip for anyone who attends one of his 2 week sessions. When the day arrives on which he instructs each attendee to stand before a microphone and declare “I am a parent to the universe”, instead do as I did and say, “I am *apparent* to the universe.” No one can discern the difference, so you don’t have to decline approaching the microphone and risk the potential psychotic wrath of the scores of hysterical, wailing attendees.

        Why was I unwilling to say “I am a parent to the universe”?
        Because I’m a parent to 3 teenage boys, and parenting them is as much as I can handle.

    • mahadev Says:

      you fuckin female bitch what is the rate for u for a night just shut your fuckin ******** and behave yourself

  11. Thomas Xavier Says:

    Probably somebody should mention what Catholic missionaries did all these hundreds of years all around the world in the name of Jesus Christ!!!!!!

    • Yogi Says:

      Yeah, i think all these people are using the name of religion and peoples general curiosity to find meaning in their life to their advantage. Wish the governments wouldn’t support them like they do now.

      • mahadev Says:

        you idiot govt itself need some help from somebody mind your words or you will be in soup bleady idiot

  12. Saahi Says:

    I was reading a book gifted to me by my sister Mystic Musing bu Sadguru, I was simply mesmerised by the book. I was literally pulled to vist Isha Aashram.

    I have been into awareness that something is wrong within me. I was so restless that thought Isha is an answer to my restlessness. Thanks to my past deeds, I felt still restless with that decision.

    I just am awake now. I being myself NLP practitioner never knew how I got hypnotized by the book. But I would say its a beautiful example of conversation hypnosis.

    • Yogi Says:

      You are spot on. Thanks for your comment.

      Since you knew NLP you knew how we can control people, hence you were able to stop and question back. But how many of us are aware of our brain, our thinking?

      These people are just using our insecurities for their benefit. In my opinion i think people are drawn by his speech, he is a good speaker we have to give him that, he mixes real science with pseudo science very well that people without a scientific background ( not the science we learn in schools btw) mistake everything he says for science and so they begin to trust him.
      Media is another big factor, those guys are all over the news, magazines, everywhere, even yesterday i saw an isha van selling their merchandise in a nearby village.

      These people misuse our trust or may be we are misplacing our trust.

  13. Aditya Says:

    Yup! He is a fraud. One person (or at least I) can easily find out if a person is truly a sanyasi by the vibration you get or that instant attraction to them. The first time I saw this dude, he looked like a wasted (high) man! He had no tejas in his eye and his philosophy is nothing new!
    I haven’t seen Maha Periva of Kanchi Kamakoti (He died the year I was born) but I was instantly attracted by his tejas just by looking at his photo. That is the real vibration , not like the fake one this dude boasts of!
    and back to the point.
    My Mom and GrandMom accidentally bumped into their restaurant in Luz Church Road, Mylapore to have a quick lunch. And Damn them Dosa is Rs.350 Upma is Rs.400!
    I don’t want to abuse that dude, but Karma will take care of the rest.
    Satyameve Jayate

    • mahadev Says:

      you must be the biggest fraud in the world, see when you was born the Maha Periva of Kanchi Kamakoti was died see how unlucky you idiot you killed him bas***

      • Sivaramakrishnan Says:

        Mr Mahadev, it seems you are follower of ISHA… See I am indifferent to him but at the same time I do not subscribe to any one who makes money and live in luxury in the name of spirituality because in India very very highly spiritualistic people live/lived a very very simple life……And you being a follower, it seems you are an ardent follower, so being an ardent follower how can you use such immoral/unethical language? Your foul language will only reflect badly on your Guru.. Sadguru Jaggi… is this way you return your respect to your Guru???

  14. Kelvin Tan Says:

    We are trapped in this world of illusions and delusions and takes everything we hear and see to be real. Not attaining, not knowing. Nothing needs to be understood or acquired. Free yourself from belief systems. Use your common senses and free from all the nonsenses. My Truth is “I don’t Know” that set me free.

  15. Rajaganapathy Says:

    Jaggi is a classical example that one can successfully make spiritual as corporate level business. Two important aspects can be seen in the foundation. Firstly-Isha foundation is marketing its products worth crores of rupees but, they issue only donation receipts not bills for their sales. Secondly, you can find an add in Isha foundation calling for his devotees to become partner with Isha foundation. Evading tax and Public issue of shares. What else needed to be a successful corporate man.

  16. David Pierse Says:

    Looks like this “Yogi” who is commenting wrong about Isha is hired by some other fake godman to spoil the name of ISHA. Look at the way he has responded to almost every post here! Normally anyone who reply to a post and follow up only with that. But here Yogi is going into each and every post and trying to defame IYC. Folks! Dont get pulled buy this idiot Yogi. I did my courses and has transformed me completely. Ealier I used to booze, smoke, eat non-veg etc almost eveyday. I know people who could not give up evil habits even going to rehabs but they have completely changed in ISHA.

    Just ignore this idoit guys.

    • Yogi Says:

      I really hope you are joking :). Dude what does “fake godman” even mean? The term “fake godman” is itself redundant to me, I dont believe in “any” Godman`s, you would have understood that if you even so much as glanced at my other posts. Oh and by the way sadhguru has started calling himself godman nowadays? That is news! It is strange for all the things you say, you yourself dont know much about Jaggi. On to your next point, In your eyes it is wrong for a blogger to engage the audience and reply to the comments? People have shared their opinions and i reply based on my observations, it is as simple as that. If you think i am wrong or have a difference of opinion, comment on how and why i am wrong, lets have a rational and informed conversation, so we can all learn something in the process. Calling me names aint gonna cut it. If all the Isha`ites are as clueless, short tempered and so deeply ingrained in the system that you cant even handle criticism that you have to resort to calling others idiots, man it will only make me stay the fuck away from such an organization.

      Possible icing on the cake: Is your name really David Pierse, a foreigner? your IP says you are from Bangalore!!

  17. jane Says:

    Why you guys only talk about the negative side of Isha? How about the positive side that benefits a lot of people?

    • Yogi Says:

      Don’t you think any problem needs to be analyzed to see both the negative and positive impacts on the society? Wont that let us take a more informed opinion? being oblivious to the negative effects will only affect us in the long run wont it? Take development for example, it is because of our “focus on short term development, ignore everything else” attitude that in our quest to develop our country we have destroyed agriculture, made a lot of species extincnt, worsened climate change, frequent droughts and so on..if we had concentrated on sustainable development and looked at what is the real cost of everything we do, we wouldn’t even be in this mess would we?

  18. jane Says:

    You only say the things that makes you feel better.. isn’t it? the things that you think is right but who are you to judge people without knowing it by yourself? You only based your judgement through observation, there’s a lot more to that. Why don’t you take up the course and join Isha Yoga… you will know by yourself. Your own Experience makes a lot of difference. That makes you more credible.

    • Yogi Says:

      Thank you for your comment, it is a very good suggestion to take up a course, but let me tell you why i didn’t. I shouldn’t say this myself, but i am aware of how judgmental we all are and i consciously avoid judging anybody unless i know something factual, this is something i live by. Enough about me. When i heard about Isha, I was actually happy, i was ready to finally embrace the organization that i was waiting for, that can bring meaningful change to our society, i was even asking my dad to join their program which was supposed to relieve the stress. I have read some of the early books by him and i really liked the fact that he was condemning superstition which was so rampant in our society. But when i started noticing all the things they are doing it was clearly hypocritical of them, you cannot oppose superstition and simultaneously talk about vibrations, mercury cleaning you and other pseudo scientific babble. I have a lot of friends who are attending Isha and after talking with them i have realized that it is not an organization i wished it was. Most of them have gotten an elitist attitude after they started attending the classes. Believe me, I even thought of volunteering when i didn’t know any better.

      As for why i wont join, to put it simple, I will try my best to not support any organization that acts against the good of the society. How do you not encourage the things you don’t want happening? By not giving them our hard earned money. For instance kaspersky is one of the most effective antivirus out there, i even used to recommend it to my friends when people didnt even know what kaspersky was 10-12 years back. But i stopped using it the moment they started supporting SOPA and their stance against peoples revolution and privacy. As for ISHA two things are factual, 1) they lied about the solidification of mercury 2) they are destroying forest land to expand their empire , Even though there are many other things which makes them no different from the countless cult organizations we have, these two things are enough to make me want to stay away from an organization. If these are not enough evidence about an organization`s hypocrisy i don’t know what is.

      If you read the other comments you can even see for yourself that some of the people who have actually attended a course in Isha agree with some of the things i said.

      My main issue with all of this is that, all the people who fall for ISHA Yoga are good people, the kind of people who can bring about a change, who go the extra mile to analyze what they want, who realize life isn’t just about money. i just cant rest easy when they are being lead on the wrong path, wasting potential. That is my problem.

  19. ramiah Says:

    pl save our children from esha ..they target higher income group youngsters.they forget their family and thier family ties and work in esha like slaves after giving theit hard earned money. pl pl save our children

  20. selvaperumaal Says:

    Hi, It was really immaturity talk about Isha and Sadhguru… there are no valid points regarding inner awaking and positive elements of the foundation, the discussion only about base level…
    I personally got changed lot of things after reading his books, after attending his free sessions (not even I spend single rupee) 6 years ago, in a MAHASHIVARATHIRI function at the ashram ground… I got enormous changes and good feeling physically and mentally, the power, etc., myself… it can’t explainable, that day in my life I do not forgot… from that day my life and my vision on world, man, live, universe, etc all has been changed. After two years only I attended the first yoga class (SAMBHAVI MAHAMUDHRA) in our village. After attending the 7 day classes (for just Rs.500 only, it very very cheap for the program commercially) my understanding level is gone higher level about things I said last sentence. After that I did the regular practice of SAMBHAVI, it was teaches me lot of remaining things of inside and outside of me… OK I leave it… it may not be useful I discussed here but for Mr.Yogi.
    Even God is there, Sathan also there, Sadhguru is not exception… We really feel about GOD, while Sathan presents… It is good chance to Mr.Yogi to get into Isha, also he created now and worked on that mode, how long he is going to discuss about Isha and Sadhguru… very soon he will attracted to the foundation and activities. Because, if he really interested find a truth, definitely he will reach it… I’m happy about the discussion… Many Thanks…

  21. Hank Says:

    Well, so we have two possibilities, he is either a mystic or a fraud. Millions of frauds are present around, may be he is just another. And if he is trying to enlighten us, then even, many have tried it before, and some are really popular and have magically kept their popularity alive even for 2000 or more years. So he is not the best among the frauds and he is not the best among the preachers. So lets leave him alone, when he becomes best in something we won’t need discussing so many things to prove anything about him.
    For now, we can believe or disbelieve that “Sadhguru is a fraud”. In other words, we can believe that, ” Sadhguru is a fraud”, or we can believe, “Sadhguru is not a fraud”. But we can only believe just like any superstition. One may argue that there is enough evidence to believe such and such things. But that is the problem. Why I can’t make you believe the same thing I believe, it’s because I am only believing and haven’t seen the reality. If I would have, I could have directly shown you. Like if I would have really seen that Sadhguru is a fraud, means I have seen him with my eyes or heard something directly from him, which gives me 100 % guarantee that he is a fraud. If that would have been the case, then even though you say he is not a fraud, I wouldn’t even bother to argue with you. Or if I had video recording then I would directly show it to you and both of us will be quiet thereafter.
    Sadhguru is just another human being for us. Let’s live in the world judging everything logically for ourselves. The mind is not under our control, that’s for sure. And it seems to us, that someway we can control it. So why not practice and bring it to utmost control. If we could control the mind we could then control our happiness. For example you are travelling and you see a restaurant, and you immediately feel like going in and having some great food, but something inside your mind tells you, you are not hungry, but still you can’t stop yourself, because money is not a problem for you. But suppose you immediately see a person, lets say a beggar searching for food in the dustbin nereby, your mind changes and you go and give the beggar the whole money you were planning to spend on the restaurant. So a change in the situation made you do something which is logical. You have enough to eat, still you were feeling to have some more. But if someone practices controlling their mind, then perhaps at some point the mind will learn to itself show the reason to stop us and turn us into the right direction. In the said situation, one can imagine the beggar, and do the right act, even though no beggar is present around. So that is a technique of controlling the mind. I have tried it and with a hell lot of effort it now works. And that gives me happiness, perhaps pride, or may be satisfaction to know that I am working what is just best for me.

    Let me put another situation, suppose your spouse or your parents or some of your beloved ones are blaming you for some act in your life. This situation is supposed to make us angry, and reply with anger. And that is what happens all the time. At that moment we think, that we have done so much to do things correctly and still I am being blamed. We reason ourselves to believe that we have done the best and yet we are being blamed, so clearly this is a thing which is wrong and must not be going on. So we answer back.
    Answering back won’t help, we all know it. Yet we do, we can’t stop it. The person who is blaming is very close to you, and is very dear to you. So blaming will only increase the distance but the situation which has occurred will remain the same, even if we answer back. .If the person who is blaming can’t see by himself or herself that you have tried your best, then you can’t show it. Or may be if you initially try to show it, and see that the person illogically is continuing in his/her act of blaming, then it is useless. So at that moment a simple thought procedure will help. Suppose it is your old parents who is blaming you, try and remember one particular event in your life perhaps from your childhood when your parent was so desperately trying to help you. I know you have many such events. We all have such events. If you can vividly remember such an incident, you will only smile back at the person, and the argument will not grow. We know how desperately our beloved ones once tried to help us, and wanted our success, but they are poor little creatures who are getting into this act of blaming just because they are illogical, and can’t act according to logic and reason out themselves into seeing that every person does what he can do at most.

    We understand what is logical, and the only reason for sadness is that we are not able to act according to it.

  22. Saurav Says:

    The only spiritual guy i know who was not a God was Siddhartha Gautama commonly known as the Buddha.

    You know why?.

    a. He said he was a human being nothing more , nothing less.
    b. He said there was no God.
    c. He said there was no use praying to God or doing useless rituals like puja etc.
    d. He said dont worship me, just remember my teachings.
    e. He said believe in YOURSELF, THAT IS ENOUGH.

    The man walked barefooted for 45 years with about 400 or so followers and never owned so much so as a small hut for himself.

    Tell me any of the modern gurus have these qualities?.

    • Yogi Says:

      Excellent common sense argument and i agree with you 100% :)

      • Venkat Says:

        Hi yogi,

        When some one gives an argument to support your view, Buddha is not a mythological figure. He comes across in flesh and bones. If its going against you, you want to protect URL mind and bring in mythological aspects. Even if I bring an enlightened person, you will say what’s the proof. You doubt so many things and question , have you thought at some time is your mind seducing you. You doubt all except your mind which is fooling you every day.

        By the time you doubt your mind it will become late. If you close ur windows sun how much ever powerful cant come in.
        It controls life on earh. But to see it you need to open your window.

        Om tat sat

      • Yogi Says:

        Dear Venkat,

        I am sorry I think you misunderstood me. I was asking you an example of somebody who supports your view. I do know about Buddha , in fact I have given him as an example to somebody else’s comment above. If you give me an argument I expect a proof. Something tangible so we can work with that, otherwise we just have to believe what everybody says isn’t it?

        I want to question my beliefs that’s the main reason for opening up the comments so that I can see what the other side has to say, I want to understand how they think. Otherwise I could have just blocked all the comments and do my work. Why am in spending so much time on this? But you people are not giving me any arguments, if I say something, refute it. Tell me where I am wrong and I will change myself. That is something I am actively trying to do. Instead of refuting my points people go on tangents talking about something unrelated or downright false to support their arguments. How can you have a proper debate?

        I am the one who is keeping the windows and even the doors open mate, may be, just may be, you guys should check too!

    • John Says:

      Adi Shankara and many other ancient seers lived the same way as well.

  23. Naresh Says:

    Guys, Instead of criticizing someone or trying to deviate yourself into negative aspects. Better you can come out everything and do whatever you want to do in your own life.

    When we are leading life 100% the way we want, then we have rights to criticize others. Till then pay attention and mind our own business :)

    • Yogi Says:

      Great idea man, no body should care about whatever happens to anybody else. Social responsibility? Why do you think there are posts like these criticising something? So we can feel good about ourselves? Dude the life you are living is because people in history opposed everything from working conditions to colonialism so fellow humans can leave a good life.

  24. aradhana Says:

    Haha Yogesh
    the RISHI prabhakar FRAUDD u are talking about greatly,
    like as if he taught sadhguru everything in your space..!
    has a sex RACKET and his wife has accused him of it !!!!!!..below link on him..

    Loooks like in India with a tradition of gurus for centuries + fake ones too..,its always difficult to find the real one..
    each one to his own.[unless they are doing illegal and caught lol]

    next time before u say someone is good or other bad –pls atleast google news articles about them at-least
    [ atleast there are NO mAJOR BAD news articles bad on Isha or SRI SRI ] [ not that I believe everything in MEDIa btw]

    people s blogs opinions are just that [ like @ss Holes each has one]
    just like mine above :) :P

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/wife-accuses-godman-of-running-sex-racket/1/105952.html

    • Yogi Says:

      I am sorry i don’t think i ever said rishi prabhakar is good. I have just pointed out a mystery over his supposed origins! Does that imply rishi prabhakar is good?

  25. anna Says:

    Can you please help to upload this new blogspot of savukku in google.

    http://savukku.blogspot.in/2014/09/blog-post.html

  26. Siddharth Says:

    First of all..the post written above is bull shit..But i loved the way Yogi argues..I would like to say some things to yogi…

    Yogi,

    I would like to ask you to show one Woman or Man in History or even now who has not done absolutely any damage to someone else. mahatma gandhi has enemies who feel injustice was done to them because of him and their claims are very justifiable..Bhagat Singh has broken many laws..Many feel albert eistien’s work has done more harm to the earth than good..if we go to mythology , the legendary ram has many accusations on him…even today krishna is seen as a traitor in mahabharat by many..if you go on like that there are many examples..Now take normal people..let us take you for example…Have you not committed any crime until now which has affected others directly or indirectly? When i say Crime i mean all levels ..from the least to the highest…If you say the answer is no..then you are not human..you are something else..every body does actions which affect other’s lives in a good or bad way..I give 5 rs bribe to a bus conductor instead of paying the ticket price of 10.It is not at all a crime in my view because it does not affect anybody and hundreds of people are doing the same thing and i save 5 rs..but it does affect people indirectly..let us not go deeper as to how it affects…Now why did we make mahatma gandhi as our father of the nation..why do we regard Bhagat singh with that great respect?..why have we made albert einstein the synonym of Geniusness?..It is because we saw that the greater good that has happend to the Humanity because of them overshadows the lesser bad..That is what should matter..i feel the same goes with Jaggi..You are just giving a few examples of people who are affected because of him in an unpleasant way..But there are many examples …i Repeat..MANY examples where he has influenced people in a very pleasant way..do you know how many good things these happy people might have done?..it starts like a chain reaction ..if your neighbor is happy, it makes you also happy..and usually when you are happy..you feel more confidant ..when you are confidant you do things which you wanted to do and also get the inspiration to do new things..who knows ,maybe a rich man who attended the course might start donating to the poor which he never did..you never know.. A greater good is happening,,why are bothered about the lesser bad?

    Talking about Jaggi:
    Was Jaggi accused of killing his wife Viji by her parents? Yes

    But was it proved?..NO

    Was there another women involved in this matter? Yes

    So?

    Did this women divorce and leave her family? Yes

    So?

    Was she the closest disciple of Jaggi in a previous life time? Yes

    So What!!?

    Is she a Brahmachari/Sanyasi now? No

    So What!!?

    Is her life opulent in the ashram just like Jaggi’s? Yes

    Many are

    Did Jaggi initiate his young daughter into Brahmacharya? No

    That is upto His daughter..Whats wrong int it?It is her decision.May be she did not buy what he says

    Is he initiating other young girls/boys into Brahmacharya? Yes

    That was upto them ..they got influenced and they took the decision..jaggi did not force them

    Did his daughter ever do volunteering? No

    May be she was too busy or maybe she did not like it

    Did she ever go through long term/permanent ashram life in her teens like Samskrithi kids? No

    OMG

    Is there any objective proof/witnesses of Jaggi solidifying mercury? No

    Maybe he thought it was too dangerous for the out side world to know..he never said “see i created solidified mercury..I should be given the noble Prize for that.” ..if he said so,then the above question is correct

    Is there an objective proof that he learned and practiced yoga from Malladihalli Swami? No

    Why should we need one?

    Is there an objective proof that he was student of Rishi Prabhakar for more than a year? Yes(1)

    Ok ..So?

    Is Jaggi and his colleagues are teaching the same yoga, meditation and BSP with minor differences? Yes

    So?..what is the problem in that?…if i want to make idly..i may follow slightly different way but it pretty much will be similar to the standard way…

    Did Jaggi ever gave credit to/confessed about Rishi Prabhakar? No

    Rishi prabakar never had a problem with that..why are you having?

    Did Jaggi’s contemporary/colleague Ravisankar Mysore Ramakrishna commented about Jaggi’s plagiarism and lies? Yes(1)

    Thus, said Noah

    Is there an objective way to confirm Jaggi’s enlightenment before taking his programs? Yes(2)

    another OMG

    Is he a self confessed liar? Yes

    Respect

    Does Jaggi have political tie-ups? Yes

    so did albert Einstien..How mean albert is..he had political tie ups..

    Does he shadow celebrities and crave media attention? Yes

    i dont know whether he craves..but even if he does whats wrong int it..?

    Did Isha ever disclose their social outreach program
    details/numbers to public? No

    many times..visit their website

    Is Isha a 100% volunteer run organization? No

    that i dont know..may be yes

    Did Isha use/is using immoral tactics to usurp land? Yes

    absolutely no idea..as i said ..for a greater good..compramisation is a must…thats what krishna did in mahabharat

    Are Isha fanatics waiting for an utopian mass enlightenment never explicitly promised by Jaggi? Yes

    Yes that is true

    Are they dangerously delusional/hypocritical? Yes

    every one in this world are ..including the Quetioner…

    Yogi..

    your main concern is this…”Jaggi is cleverly influencing people by hypnotizing them through his words and his books talking about psuedo science and all other shit which will make some hindus feel good and other hindus proud that they are from such a great culture . As a result they are spending huge amounts of money by deceiving themselves and causing lot of pain to their family members..And jaggi and his team are amassing all this wealth and enjoyong the luxury”

    You are right that he is hypnotizing people..He has a vision..he knows something which he thinks if others know, they would also feel pleasant..he wants to share with others what made him happy..he knows people would not come if he calls normally..so he is hypnotizing them..What i do not like to agree is that you are saying that he is doing it for money..

    Ok great..so you think you have found the right answer..now you are convincing others “Dont believe in what he says..believe in what i say”..infact i see that you are also hypnotizing people with your words..

    How are you different from him buddy?..he is doing it for money and fame..you are doing it because you are the savior..you cant see injustice around..and the biggest injustice happening in this world is
    jaggi vasudev…not IsIs not taliban not Al Queda…not Poverty..Not Injustice itself…But JAGGI…

    Good buddy..i like your hypnotism..but i somehow did not fall for it because maybe without practicing i knew NLP…

    But if you want to save people from his hypnotism then you are way behind him..you have to catch up with him because he is very ahead of you

    We would not have had a bhagat singh, gandhi, vivekanada, etc if they did not want to cause pain to their family..i am not camparing them to anybody..i only wanted to say that there are different perspectives to look at “causing pain to family”..

    You think people are not being logical..they are not using their minds..Every thing that you think is logical is actually relatively logical. you are building that logic based on some pre concluded notions..every logic can be proved and disproved..that is the magic of logic..And you think mind is logical…just if you become little bit aware of the thoughts that go on in your mind ,you will understand how illogical the thought pattern is..it has no logic at all..in the recesses of our minds there is absolute illogical bullshit..Psychology proves this(what an irony)..

    so dont try to be too logical my friend give a benefit of doubt to something that is beyond logic..

    Peace

    • Yogi Says:

      Hello! I really like the way you argue man other than the part where you summarily reject everything as “bullshit” of course. Thanks for stopping by and providing your inputs. Please allow me to explain my point of view.

      First off about crimes, the way you justify crime reminds me of how all the dictators of the world thought and acted. Even hitler thought he was doing something good for the world by killing of all the “vermin” jews. So please never justify a crime saying it is ok. If you go along that route anybody can justify anything they do. The bribe you or me gave to somebody doesnt equate the other crimes which affects others life adversely, also just we because we did it, does not justify our or their actions.

      The premise of greater good is in itself a great philosophical problem. When you say you can do anything for the greater good what about the people who suffer for it? For example in building dams (a supposedly greater good) the government has spoiled the livelihood of thousands of people and drove them to streets. to the adivasi who cannot provide for his family anymore, can you tell him don’t worry your family is dying so the rest of the population can be happy in future? Who gave us the right to take over others lives? Who decides what is greater good!?

      You are saying cutting down forests is ok because he is doing a greater good. my point is why should he have his ashram in the forest in the first place? Lot of arid waste lands are there to his taking. Is destroying the forest important for whatever you are saying he is doing? Problem with the cults such as these is that , you can never make them accept even the blatant things that is happening before their eyes, whatever Isha or Jaggi does, people will defend, not even thinking for a moment if it holds water. Wrap their minds and reasoning so much that they will say he cant tell how he solidifed mercury at room temperature because it is not good for the society, may be it will end the world? i mean come on, does this even make sense! Do you think this is healthy?

      Ok about comparing me with him, If i got money from people and then gave my opinion about jaggi to people, then may be compare what he is doing to what i am :). I am not saying i am right, all i am saying is “to me” this looks wrong, he looks like a lot of people in history who tricked people to part their hard earned money and time, please proceed with caution. Thats all i ever said.

      About AlQueda and stuff, so you are saying till there is ISIS, Alqueda and other bigger problems we should not talk about other problems? lets all close our eyes to what is happening around us till all the major problems you say are done? may be give us a list what you consider are big problems? next time something happens to my neighbour i am gonna go to him and say dude look ISIS is looming large, your problem is nothing lets wait for that to be over so we can discuss your`s.

      Also please stop mentioning all these great leaders of the world when talking about Jaggi, None of those people made themselves comfortable and wanted to make the world better, like you yourself mentioned they all sacrificed their own lives to try and make the world a better place, they didnt sit in AC halls in a comfortable chair preaching people.Most of them even died for their cause, hell even einstein died poor. Did Buddha charge people money ,sat in his comfortable home and preach so people will be happy? Please, really you are insulting them.

      Regarding the “pain to family”, i agree that sometimes that happens, you cannot please everyone, but you will have to look at what they are doing after opposing family? what are they doing? have they become vivekananda by following Juggi? what have all these people done for anybody? Look even some of my friends have opposed family and are working for social welfare, have abandoned good paying jobs to pursue their interests, to help somebody. Hell, even my parents dont approve of all the things i say and do. But to cause suffering just to join a cult, that is something i cannot agree with. Just think of all those people who abandoned Nithyanandha after his “exposure” ? If they had realized it before hand, all of the unnecessary suffering could have been avoided for them and their family. See, there are some things that jaggi says that are good, i agree, if you wanna follow that its cool. But beyond that if you want to blindly support and defend him or the organization and believe or do everything he says without critical thinking, then we have a problem. This is the kind of blind behaviour that (in Howard Zinn`s words) make people blindly obey the dictates of the government, of the leaders and have gone to war killing millions, while remaining obedient in the face of starvation , poverty and stupidity just becase their leaders said so.

      And the last bit about something beyond logic, the world we live in now, the things we enjoy are all based on logic, if our ancestors had continued to believe in something other than logic we would still be living in caves praying to solar eclipses.

      You say “maybe a rich man who attended the course might start donating to the poor which he never did” thats a big may be, Dude ISHA is already a rich organization, they themselves dont donate. Let them publish truthfully how much money they make and how much they spend on helping others then may be we can talk. That is what i meant, not put the meagre activities they do in their websites for promotion.

      You say “so he is hypnotizing them..What i do not like to agree is that you are saying that he is doing it for money..”, please i beg you, for a moment think outside of your indoctrination and see for yourself, if a person really wanted to help others, really wanted to make people happy will he spend so much money to make his buildings beautiful? will he live in luxury? somebody once said Luxury the word itself is an insult to all the poor people who cant even afford food. You tell me, what will you do if you had all the money and had the mentality that you say he has? Wont you and i spend it on helping people rather than buying a Pajero? Dont you see the hypocrisy, please Just think for a moment. Is this how you will manage that fund?

      Going to Isha might make you feel smug and content but it isnt going to change our society, The only people Isha benefits are the middle and upper class people who want the “feel good” factor. There are numerous organizations who are trying to directly work with the underprivileaged, spending their own money, sacrificing their comfortable lives so they can bring about a change. Problem is they dont advertise, they dont have flashy buildings, manicured lawns, they are not on tv and unless you look for them you wont find them. I am pretty sure they are there in your city too. IF you really want to help others, and if that is your intention of joining Isha,if you really wanted to do something, go out of your comfort zone and meet these people, then you WILL bring about a change.

  27. Siddharth Says:

    Hi Yogi,

    Thanks for the reply. I was actually waiting for it. I said the post was Bullshit ,not all the comments and everything. I would not have commented in first place if i thought everything is bullshit. I still say the post is bullshit because i find the reasoning of the author as ridiculous(no offence..just my opinion).

    First of all..did jaggi start isha as a social service organization?..no….from his books we understand that his main aim was to create the dhayana linga..(“many sages’ wish” ,he says)..a linga which he describes is consecrated with all seven chakras..he says this was his mission that his guru has set upon him few lifetimes back. Why he chose vellangiri? ..because that was where he says his guru has left his body and also that place reverberates with tremendous amount of energy..this is one of the reasons he did not choose an arid land..

    Did he cut all the forest and built his ashram upon it?..no

    the hill on the foot of which the ashram was built was not having tree cover at all..it was after jaggi has come there that they took up the initiative of planing trees..the place was very hot at first…they have planted many trees on the hill and also inspired the entire village to plant trees..it is cool now…it went on to become one of the biggest tree planting initiatives.. They have got the paryavaran award for that(which of course people here will argue that they used their political influence) and also a Place in the Guinness book of world records for planting most number of tree saplings in one single day(around 10 million or something..am not sure)..so please don’t say jaggi is cutting tress and all other shit..Yes he uses wood in many areas in his ashram for construction..if instead of wood he used metal..you would say “see ? he is so rich that is used metal”..if he used plastic which is cheaper.. you would say ” see..he used plastic..he is against the environment”..Come on..he did what was appropriate.. I am sure he has compensated for every tree he cut.once go to his ashram it is full of trees..the people who accuse him ..i am sure most of them have not even planted at least one tree their entire life…He even gives ideas to the environmental ministries..one of his ideas were that..every vehicle manufacturing company that manufactures vehicles should calculate the amount of carbon monoxide that vehicle will produce in its life time and compensate it with planting that many number of trees..this is just one of the many ideas..leave about the practicality of implementing the idea..i only wanted to say he is doing his bit..what about the people who accuse him?..

    regarding the mercury linga..Yogi..on one hand you argue that he has not shown any objective proof that he has solidified mercury at room temperature — meaning you are not actually believing he could do that– and on the other hand you say “come on man ..people will die”–meaning you are actually believing he can solidify mercury at room temperature..

    If anybody wants to know how he solidified mercury they can know it from learning the rasayana shasthra (Alchemy)or go to someone who knows it..He mentioned once that ancient Indian alchemy has stuff about how to solidify mercury at room temperature..he does not have to tell to the world how he did it..why should he tell..he does not have to prove..if you have a doubt, then file a case or write letter like one of the gentleman in the comments did, to some ministry or something..but simply don’t accuse someone based on mere assumptions..

    who knows? may be he really solidified mercury and used it in such a way that it does not harm people but benefits them..
    We all know that even poison is used as a medicine in some cases..what are antibiotics?…will you go to a doctor and ask him to prove if the tablets he is giving are of the right proportion and combination..No ..we don’t know a shit about what he is giving to us..we don’t question because we trust him…based on his education..his qualification etc etc..same with jaggi..

    You say i should not compare jaggi with other people i mentioned in my previous comment..because they have sacrificed everything for the sake of the people and they did not live in luxury and comfort..

    you think jaggi vasudev lives in luxury because he roams in cars..flies in aeroplanes, flies helicopters..plays golf..lives in big and posh rooms in his ashram etc etc..

    I ask you how is he different from gandhi or vivekananda or some ancient sages like vashita,vishvamitra in terms of luxury…

    vivakanada always preferred to travel in first class in train and so did gandhi..he always traveled in first class..Had there been cars and other vehicles that are present now during their time they would have definitely used them.. if you wanted to do things fast in a limited amount of time you need things which move fast..basically you do things as per the situation..vasista is considered one of the greatest sages during the ancient times..did he not live in luxury?.. …people will say no..because for them the luxury of those times is poverty of these times…he was given royal treatement by the kings..he was received and sent in the highest available vehicles of that time..he built his ashrams according to the luxuries of those times..I am not comparing him and jaggi .

    you said:
    .”did Buddha charge people money ,sat in his comfortable home and preach so people will be happy? ”

    see Isha charges only for the facilities they provide..you want AC ,,you want good seating arrengement …you want spacious atmosphere and althese you want for free…how is that possible ?

    Isha does not charge anything if you do the same course in a village..but you wont have AC.. you wont have proper seating arrangement etc etc..everything that they do in villages is for free..
    Dosent it make sense?..And all the higher programs that they offer are also for free..they say we dont want your money for higher programs but your commitment..if they see that you are not committed enough they advise you to not attend the course.

    Do you really think buddha has conducted all the meetings and preaching without any help from the people or the kings?he definitely did not have any business like isha has..how did you think he could do all that without any money involved?…See jaggi is utilizing all that this present age of technology is giving.. Had buddha had a mike ..he would have reached more people in the world..but he had to shout so that maximum people could hear..do you think buddha would have neglected a mic because it involves money ? or do you think he would have used it to reach more people.

    See ..there is nothing and absolutely nothing wrong in living rich and luxurious as long as you are not attached to it..the above mentioned people were not attached to it..they had other and bigger goals than wealth… vivekananda or gandhi would have been least bothered if they had to travel in 3rd class..Basically they do not care about anything to reach their goal..i say ..same with jaggi..i know you wont accept..(i also know you wont like jaggi being compared to them which was not my intention)

    You have mentioned that Someone said people living in luxury is an insult to the Poor.. this is absolute Bullshit..

    i will tell you a story.. During the early days of communist revolution Vengalappa visited russia.. He was a nomad…he met man who was taking his two cows to his home..They started a conversation and the man with cows started telling about some of the ideals of communism like everyone should be equal..the rich man should give the poor man’s share to him to make him equal..it is only then that that the gap between the rich and poor in the society will decrease and so on ..vegalappa listened to all these and really felt happy and inspired..he spoke to the man ” This is a wonderful country and people here are awesome..You see..i am actually very poor..i dont even have proper clothes to wear..you can see my clothes are torn..i dont have a house and i did not even eat for 2 days..you have all these and also 2 cows..could you give me one of them?”

    The man with cows asks vegallapa to fuck off and goes away…morals and philosophies are only good to speak and listen..in reality they do not exist..

    You will talk about this insult as long as you are poor..but once you are rich ..you dont give a shit..

    jaggi wanted to create the dhyanalinga and make its surroundings look beautiful..this ..he did for his master..Jaggi’s disciples did it for their master..There is nothing wrong in building an ashram as he likes..i was not convinced by your explanation of why jaggi is money minded.. I think he is not money minded at all..that will not even be the last thing he will want…yes..maybe some of the volunteers of isha are..but that is a very low possibility..I have been a volunteer for few of isha events..i even donated (though very little) sometimes and am very confidant that the money is used properly..I dont know if there is a way to know how they are spending the money..but if you can go by law and find out..may be we all will know the truth of how they are using the money..Why unnecessary accusations?

    In one of your paras you have mentioned an example of dam and talked about greater good.In that example the government clearing those adivasis was partially right and if they have provided them proper homes thereafter ..it would have been fully right.. In the ending you said who decides greater Good?..Thats exactly my point too..Who decides greater good?

    Basically we are talking in terms of Moral Values. Your definition of morality is different from mine.

    And Morality is based on only two words..Good and Bad.

    it all boils down to this..in simple terms…You think jaggi is doing greater bad and i think he is doing greater good

    I would like to go a bit deeper on this good bad topic..

    See there is nothing called good or bad..it is just one man’s belief versus another man’s belief(quoted by jaggi)..

    You believe something is good or something is bad and then you are tying the thread of logic to it..

    I have a question : On what basis do you decide this is good or that is bad?..Definitely you decide them on some pre-concluded notions.
    What if those pre concluded notions where just mere assumptions?then every thing that you believed as right will become wrong and vice-versa…

    For example , tell me why murder or rape is considered wrong? Every living thing on this planet does everything possible to survive. a lion kills a dear for survival..you might argue that it kill for food..but still it is doing it for survival.. many animals kill other animals if they enter their territory and they don’t do it for food..they are doing it for survival they do every thing to avoid their death..

    If what a lion does is not wrong why is it wrong if i murder a person?..i kill him because i feel somewhere in my heart that he is a threat to my life.that was just a survival instict.A lion is considered a superior animal.. it does many things to show its superiority..that is also a survival incstict..to warn others and keep them away from it.. If i want to rape a woman..i rape her..and there is nothing wrong in it..I only did what a superior animal does to its inferior..

    Am sounding crazy right?..but answer my question..please dont give shitty answers like” we are not animals we are humans and humans are Humane”…The only difference between man and animal is that man is more intelligent..Thats why he is able survive better than other animals and he also propagated so much and i am not expecting answers like “lion no kill lion” or “monkey No Kill monkey”..they do have fights and they do kill each other…anyways with all the stuff that human mind takes in every body is a different animal altogether
    and we also live like only humans exist on our planet.

    so please answer my question?..Why is murder or rape wrong? On what basis do you say that murder or rape is wrong?..I am sure there would not be a legit answer..

    Because the very words “right” and “wrong” are non existent..

    I ask what is the meaning of right? and wrong? they do not have any meaning..

    I think they came into existance only after man has started forming communities and civilizations and societies.. the society would not have been stable if every body behaved as they liked ..so for a stable society and for better survival they might have formulated a set of right and wrongs..the more stable they wanted to make the society ..the more wright and wrongs came in..In other words morals came in…Again this is all an assumption..there might be other assumptions as well…

    right and wrong ..good and bad are only in the mind..They are dependent on your perception.

    See the ultimate goal of every living thing in this universe , consciously or unconsciously is to survive..is to be death less..is t be immortal.. We may not realize that but unconsciously every action that we perform , every word that we speak and every thought that we generate is directly or indirectly linked to our survival or our desire to be deathless..to be immortal…

    Hence the desire to be famous..to be ackowledged..to be respected..to be good…

    I paint one of the famous paintings because somewhere unconsciosly i know that even i die.. this painting lives and this my name lives and throught that i live..I may not be aware of this ..but in my unconscious mind,,I am doing this for the dame reasons… I write my name on walls? why? for the same reason..I crave for attention? why? for the same reason..even if i die atleast my name lives or something to which my name is attached lives…(inspired by Jiddu Krishnamurthy)

    In this process Somehow we add goodness to the list

    I do social service for the same reason.. Somewhere in the deepest layers of my heart i feel i am doing a good thing…but actually..in the deepest layer i am doing it to be death less(survival)..

    Many think they do social service out of compassion…I think we are deceiving our selves..

    We are not understanding the difference between Pity and Compassion..We are actually showing Pity on others..we are not compassionate…i believe it takes enlightenment to show compassion..In Pity there is a sense of superiority…poor boy he dosent have food to eat ..((in the unconscious)..I have)..if we dont have anything to eat and we are going to die in any moment and then we see a boy who does not have anything to eat..If At that moment we say “poor boy he does not have anything to eat”..that is called Compassion..It is bound less..love..which cannot be put in words.. i too dont know what compassion is..but this is what i have understood intellectually when i have read about it in a raramakrishina parama hamsa book..

    Yes jaggi hypnotizes people..yes there are many people in isha who just do what their master says without thinking anything..but i feel he uses them correctly..he achieved many things with farmers what many NGOs could not with ThinkTanks..
    i think his intentions are right and appropriate for the present situation our country is in…

    So i will say he is little more than an adolf hitler who turned good..

    I know lot of what i have written above is irrelevant to the argument ..but i wanted to say what i wanted to say..If we argue on what is right or wrong on a moral basis it would be a never ending discussion..

    took lot of time to write this :-)
    Thanks for allowing me to comment..

    • Yogi Says:

      Hi Siddharth, thanks for writing back man, i am sorry i couldn’t reply immediately, have been little busy lately.

      “did jaggi start isha as a social service organization?..no” This. this is exactly what i want to emphasise. Isha is a new age religious organisation, Hinduism 2.0 if you will. He has stripped some baggages like mindless practices ( which is good) and then revamped some like vibration , positive energy and other abstract non quantifiable things (which is bad). All i am saying is see it as another temple not an organisation whose primary aim is a social cause, to help the poor or anything remotely like that. It is only tertiary ( secondary is,i feel getting in more people) , always been. It is no different than say thirumala tirupathi, for all the money they get, social cause isn’t their main goal.

      But what i have seen happen is, people begin to think themselves doing some kind of social service by participating in Isha. Even you argued in your previous post, as if their main aim is doing good to the people. They do some social work, agreed, but that is not their primary business. It is a drop in the bucket for all the money they earn and all the men power they have. This is a fact and should be clear if you critically see how they operate. Especially if you have visited their so called ashram. If people join Isha for their personal satisfaction for what you perceive as personal gain , then that is fine to some extent, but lets not pretend we are helping the society. Like i said in my earlier post, if you want to help the society then there are way better organisations for you to spend your time and money on.

      Contrary to what you say velliangiri hills was not arid before he came in, however i don’t dispute the fact that he has planted lot of trees. But that doesn’t justify themselves cutting down the trees. Just like i don’t have the right to harm my baby just because i am his father. All i see is a marketing ploy, they just used the public sentiment at that time to gain lot of fame. You cant dispute the fact that they got lot of publicity from this. If he truly cared for the environment, if that feeling was deep inside his heart you or i wouldn’t have done what he did. Agreed he says Dyanalinga has to be there because of some energy ( conveniently which is something very abstract and nobody can prove) even if it was so, they didn’t have to expand their ashram in the same place did they? Keep dyanalinga there and move rest of the accommodations and dwellings (they rent rooms!) some place more eco friendly? So they have minimal impact? Not use wooden furniture? Not use wooden ornaments to beautify their buildings?

      You are saying i object to using wood, and that i would also object even if they used steel ! Why would i say that? How does that correlate?
      If you cared for environment you wouldn’t cut trees for anything period, especially for something that has alternatives. I dont know about you but I wouldn’t. When you cut a tree down you kill more than a tree, you collapse an entire eco system built around that tree.

      Oh and i have also been to his ashram multiple times, i have been there before they expanded their ashram, before there was even a proper road to that place.I have also trekked the hills. So i do know little bit about how it was, which is why i am concerned.

      Regarding the mercury part, i said “come on, people will die” sarcastically (I guess i am not good with jokes :) ), because you said he is not revealing how he solidified mercury, because it might be dangerous if we knew how he solidified mercury. See, about alchemy, there is no proof that we ever solidified mercury, that same alchemy tried to convert any metal to gold too, these were hopeful desires of people at that time, based on the limited knowledge of chemistry they had. Till now nobody has ever solidified mercury at room temperature, IF Jaggi claims something to be true based on Indian alchemy why not show it to the world? It will make the whole world notice us and might even give Indian Alchemy some credibility, ignoring all the industries that it will benefit. So why not do it? what is the problem? It will help lot of people! What`s keeping him?

      You say even knowing mercury is poisonous, you will accept it because you trust Jaggi. This is exactly what i was arguing about in my previous comment, blindly accepting something (Cult behaviour) when all the evidence at hand points in the opposite direction. Please dont compare antibiotics, doctors ( treatments which are scientifically backed with empirical evidence. I trust a doctor because it is backed by science not because i like the doctor or because he talks nicely) with blindly accepting something without any sort of evidence, Just because one poison has the effect of healing does not justify taking in any poison and assuming it ‘might’ do good, does it? Doctors have science to back them up, what kind of qualification does Jaggi have? You accuse me of assuming when you yourself are assuming he is knowledgeable on these things!

      Regarding the leaders living in luxury, Nobody ever said anything about travelling in first class or second class, Generally after people gain any sort of publicity it is almost impossible to travel peacefully in public transports. So nobody questions that, in fact i don’t even consider that as a luxury. OF course he gotta travel, but don’t you see there is a difference between travelling in a Qualis and a land cruiser. In comparing leaders you are comparing apples and oranges, just because somebody is famous we cannot compare them to another famous person.There are too many people, every leader fought for something they believed in and each believed in different things. To compare leaders you have to see what the leaders you mentioned fought for and what they did. You cannot compare Tendulkar with Ronaldo, they are entirely different playfields and so are leaders, just because one famous person lived luxuriously does not mean anything, not all leaders cared about the poor.

      Gandhi opposed the usage of foreign goods, so he avoided using them. IF he preached don’t use foreign goods and if he himself used those things then we will criticize him. Similarly for Jaggi, If you say he is working for the people, if you say he helps the poor then luxury obviously becomes hypocritical, especially when it is somebody else’s money that he is living in. Especially when people who donate assume their money is being used to help others.

      About Buddha using mic and all, I dont even know how to respond to this. Nobody said anything about not using the technology or the resources that was available at that time. You make the mistake of comparing him with Buddha, It will only show how much worse he is. Buddha preached but what monetary benefit did he get out of it and how did he use it? How did it affect the way he lived? If Jaggi preaches, how does it benefit Isha? How is that money being used? How did Buddha live? did he want to be comfortable and cozy, even when he could have? Infact he is the opposite of Buddha, Buddha went from riches to rags but Jaggi is quite the opposite, even his philosphy is cleverly constructed to suit his lifestyle. He is a genius, gotta give him that.

      “Nothing wrong in living rich unless you are attached to it”, Really? that is very easy. It is easy to be not attached to anything when you have everything. It is easy to be not attached to your job when you know you wont starve, It is easy to be not attached to your material possession when you can buy anything you want if you so desire. Point is, if you are not attached to anything you wont want to live a life of richness and luxury, you will find everything pointless, that is the whole thing about attachment in the first place. If you want to live a luxurious life that indicates your attachment to luxurious things, plain and simple.

      Problem with luxury and living rich is it highlights the inequality in the current system. When we dress ourselves in expensive clothes, nice shoes, big cars what are we trying do ? We are just showing off how much better we are than the rest of the population,aren’t we? Look at me, i am better off! Our whole society is kind of like a competition ,each person tries to better somebody, So every time somebody who is underprivileged looks at all this show, all this bling, what does it instil in their minds? Their realisation about what they don’t have, an insecurity, realization that they don’t have anything, the realisation that money is God, they will then desire to be rich , making them money oriented machines. When they themselves grow up what would they do? they will do the same thing, they will show off their things to others look I am also better now, I can buy stuff too… and so the cycle continues, in a never ending pursuit of money hunting and material possessions. In the end nobody will be happy. That is the curse of luxury. Anyway that is not our point.

      Talking about communism you talk about Vengalappa as a joke, but you don’t talk about Che, do you know his history ? I can give you numerous examples where people have fought for the same thing you so lightly talk about. People have sacrificed their lives and money for the same morals and philosophies which you brush off as only good to speak and listen. They sacrificed everything they had because they wanted a society where there shouldn’t be people who own aeroplanes and people without food. Just because we haven’t achieved it yet doesn’t mean we will never. Look even the 8 hour work day was fought for and obtained, we didn’t get it by sitting around saying it looks too good to be true. Not all the people who fought and still fight for equality are poor, mind you. In fact most of the revolutions were fuelled by the middle and upper middle class, Poor usually don’t have the luxury of reading or thinking about their state. Not all rich people don’t give a shit. There are still some rich people with humanity, some who have grown up wanting not only money.

      When talking about Isha`s spendings, you insist we ask Isha legally to show their earnings.I dont even think they are legally obliged to show us how they spend their money, they are a business. If you are an accountant you know how you can fudge the records. Anyway you claim they spend majority of their money on social welfare (even they dont claim any of these), If they share their annual account statement it will speak for themselves. If what you say is true, what is stopping them? it will only make their organization look good, right?

      About universality of morals, good and bad, right and wrong. If we get philosophical, of course there is no such thing as good or bad and we can argue all day. But lets be practical, have you heard of the Golden rule? Generally a thing is considered bad if it affects another person negatively, if you hit me with a spade and argue that there is no such thing as bad, I am gonna get really angry. Here bad is not based on pre concluded notion, it is bad, because you objectively hurt me. Likewise any action on a society can be termed good or bad based on the effects it produces, based on whether it is beneficial or not.

      Murder and rape are not wrong because they are pre-concluded notions, murder and rape are wrong because it affects other people negatively without their permission. Things in nature are such that you have to kill to survive, agreed. However that doesn’t mean anything. As a human we have morality, as in we have the choice to not hurt others. A tiger will die if it doesn’t kill, it doesn’t really have an option more importantly it does not have a sense of morality. But as humans, as rational beings, as intelligent beings (like you said) we have the “option” to stop suffering, why would you kill knowing it will affect somebody? You can still say i will kill ,under the big scheme of things i cannot term it as bad or good. Agreed, but you would have hurt somebody. If you don’t have a problem with that, then no, objectively i cannot say you have done a “good” or “bad” thing. Granted morality might be the result of what benefits the whole society, But then what’s your point? Jaggi or anybody can do anything? If somebody hurts some one you like, Will you be sitting around arguing what is good, what is bad? No good can come out of arguing semantics. You are actually talking a lot like Nietzsche, who kind of inspires the feeling that “I” am more important than society because i am better!

      I don’t agree that everybody wants to be deathless or everybody does things so their name stands out, even a cursory glance around us should show that it is simply not the case. Majority of the population in India do think so, mainly because of their insecurity, Our new age gurus have a habit of uttering these gems, mainly because it is these insecure middle class people that flock to them, so they identify themselves with what these gurus say. See, what we want in life, these kind of things are dictated by the society we live in, by the things that surround us.Our thinking is highly influenced by our surroundings. Not every body in every country wants or does these things. If what you say is true, why did soldiers die for their kings? why did revolutionaries die for their cause? They didn’t do things so they remain in history, they didn’t do things to be deathless, you are just cherry picking things that match your assumptions. Confirmation Bias. There are all kinds of people in this world who desire all kind of things, lets not club everybody in the same bucket.

      I don’t think i grasp your concept of pity and compassion, I understand pity and agree that it is really unhealthy. But you don’t need to be enlightened to understand compassion, all you need is empathy. Compassion blossoms from empathy.I think you are over analysing things and making them needlessly complicated. There are two kinds of people those who sympathize and those who empathize, you don’t have to be some enlightened monk to understand empathy. Do you know Orwell? Emma Goldman? Bakunin? There are countless others.

      I can elaborate more, i am sorry if i came out as rude in some places, but i am really short on time and typed this out quickly and I didn’t want to not reply to you, that would be disrespectful. I will just tell one thing, from your comments i can see that you are interested in Hindu philosophy, spirituality and that you are probably a good reader. Spiritual philosophy and mythology are good , makes you wonder, question lot of things, but i feel it will be really good if you read about the real world problems, current economics and politics too, beyond what comes in mainstream media (My friend can recommend you a couple of books if you are interested). I think that will help you become a a well rounded individual. I mean it only as a compliment. Because I will be honest with you, i think your intelligence will be really useful elsewhere where it will really matter. Spirituality will only make us look inside, about the self, Economics, psychology, politics will open the world outside of the self, will make us less worried about the self and more about the rest of humanity and society as a whole, for the betterment of our species.

  28. SRI Says:

    Hello Siddharth & Yogi,

    I also took a lot of time to read your replies… :) Thanks for writing.. I just bought the inner engineering course for $90.00 and started listening… As I listen and see his eyes… I felt there is something intriguing about him. I am not sure what.. so i googled his personal profile..heard about his wife’s samadhi and alarmed.. too good to be true of course.. If its true.. then God bless the soul.. Or else, mmm we will never know i guess.

    Everybody has a past.. they learn and then they change…(then of course they start to preach.. those who don’t know/don’t learn from hard lesson’s cannot preach..unless they are great soul from birth)

    My opinion here is.. I needed advise on ‘mind’.. I am just focusing on the content.. i don’t want to focus from whom it came from… (already aware that the content may do good for my problem and hence the content coming from the author who wrote 100 books and earned little credit from me)

    He said “Earth is flat or round debate for several several years came to a full stop when man flew into the space and proved scientifically (separated from earth and saw) ….same way separate from our mind and seeing the mind will solve the pblm”. I like this theory and all his talk is related to seeing self and separating the self within you..

    As for me.. I decided that I will just listen what He says and see if I can apply that and try to turn in to a good person..helping my family and others and not get in to the argument if He is a scam artist or not :) (By the way.. I won’t spend any more money on this.. thanks to this blog….We have the whole google and youtube freely available for these kinds of speeches and I will stick towards those)

    Thanks again for writing and creating awareness guys!

    • Yogi Says:

      You seem to have found the perfect middle ground :), Cheers and all the best to you.

      • Dabaez Says:

        Yogi – like Sid said, everyone had a past.you give jaggi shit for cutting down a few trees even though he compensated that back with planting even more trees.what kind of grocery hypocrite are you??! I doubt you were very compassionate to all those fruits and vegetables you slaughtered these last few years since your birth.I doubt you bike ride everywhere instead of using public transportation or a car.I doubt the roof over your head isn’t some poor cut down tree.
        You forget that all these hospital figures you mention were anything but saints, angels who feel down from heaven. JFK dragged us into Vietnam and even fucked Marilyn Monroe being hid wife’s back. Yet we remember the good he did. Saints in biblical terms were always horrible sinners prior to their enlightenment. King David set up the death off his own friend so he could get his wife; St.Paul (who wrote half the New testament) was the Jewish version of Hitler, a high class Jew who hunted down and murdered the Christians before becoming one himself and being executed along side them. Half of the founding fathers were most likely racist slave owners. But even Martin Luther king understood that the IDEA of America was worth forgiving it’s past in order to attain its future as a free society.
        Like Jesus said. Take the plank out of your eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother’s.
        Sadhguru can’t control everyone underneath him. Just like your mother shouldn’t be blamed for all your fuck ups.if you have a problem with people being elitists it’s either your an elitist hypocrite yourself, or you need to take your argument up with Sadhguru instead of buying about it being hid back on the internet.
        The only real argument you had this whole time was the argument on the cost of their goods and services.
        Sadhguru isn’t an accounting major, not does he micro manage everything.no one can.
        Just like any business owner can’t guarantee their own manager isn’t stealing moneyout good right from underneath their nose.that’s what happens when you delegate ANY task!
        So if you think some people that work for him sre making way too much profit you should try saying something to Sadhguru personally before passing judgment

      • Yogi Says:

        Thank you for your response, i apologize for the delay, i was a little held up with other matters.

        Coming back to your response, First point, You can call somebody a Hypocrite if he/she preaches something, but they themselves act opposite to what they are preaching. So you call me a hypocrite, what am i preaching and what did do opposite to what i preach? You can call me a hypocrite if i say, Please save the trees, look at the trees, they have life, look how the leaves blow in the wind and so on and go furnish my apartment with wooden furniture’s from top to bottom. Who is the one doing that?

        Second point, it is strange that you pick up all these leaders who i have never actually mentioned anywhere and ignore everybody i actually listed!! i don’t remember mentioning JFK or St.Paul anywhere. Nevertheless i get your point, I agree nobody is perfect, it is true that a lot of great leaders have done something that is morally questionable. BUT you have to note something, never did they act against what they preached, they might have been questionable in other matters, but on the matters they preached they had great belief and acted in ways they wanted the people to act. If MLK had acted racist towards his fellow men, while preaching against racism then you can point him out, not otherwise.

        Coming on to your next point, “Sadhguru can’t control everyone underneath him”. Come on man, you think anybody can be in Isha? do you think if you stay in Isha and act against their interests they will still keep you? Do you honestly think Isha is a one man show? Reputation is everything for organizations such as these, they will do anything to not jeopardize it.

        And what is this “Take the plank out of your eye before trying to remove the speck from your brother’s.” what the hell did i do? what are you talking? you are talking as if i am running around hurting people, and i should stop before asking others to not get hurt. WTF man?

        “Sadhguru isn’t an accounting major”, If you still don’t realize Isha is a business and if you think they can run a huge establishment such as these without accounting for the money they get and spend, then my sympathies are with you man. Like i already said, it is not an one man show, the CEO of Microsoft does not have to know accounting! Nowhere did i say people below him are stealing money, i am just questioning the goal of the entire organization, not one or two rotten apples , i am questioning the whole basket itself and what it stands for.

      • Dabaez Says:

        Sorry for typos.
        Did this on my phone and auto correct is a pain.
        Plus it’s late.

  29. sabareeshbabu Says:

    Dear Yogi,

    You definitely have a point when saying that animals don’t have a sense of morality and humans, with superior intelligence, exercise a choice whether to murder or rape or not. And the fact that modern society and its luxuries allow us to live without the need to make such choices.

    As for the Sadhguru’s speeches and words of wisdom, they can be a great source of comfort for many people that are lost or down on their luck. However, their attendance to Isha Foundation programs should not be equated with doing a service to humanity, you are correct. They are coming for a sense of community, a break from daily life.

    I am also interested in the books you are talking about on current issues, politics, and economics. If you could post those on here, I would be very grateful. Thank you.

    • Yogi Says:

      Hi Sabareesh, Thanks for your comment and i apologize for the delay in responding. I agree with everything you said, i couldn’t have said it more clearly myself.

      As for the books, Personally in my opinion Economics, Psychology and Politics are something everyone should learn and know about, since our entire life depends on these things. Every decision we make, every place we look, every moment of our life is influenced by these three things, think about it, but we hardly take the time to know these things. If you ask me, these should be made compulsory reading in schools. But creating well informed, rational citizens is the last thing a Government wants, it is more profitable to keep people as ignorant, obedient , non questioning consumers.

      Anyway i am deviating, Below are the books i generally highly recommend to my friends to start with,
      Economics in one lesson – Henry Hazlitt
      Influence, The psychology of Persuasion
      Predictably Irrational – Dan Ariely (to quickly glance through, can be boring)
      All the books by Arundhati Roy (There is a box set with i some 5 or 6 books).
      All the books by George Orwell.
      The Culture of Make Believe – Jensen Derrick (Highly recommend this)
      The Zinn reader by Howard Zinn and all the books by Noam Chomsky (These are too American centric, but they are a very good eye opener on politics of governments as a whole)

      Below are some of my favorite documentaries, do have a look, if you haven’t seen them before,
      The Power of Nightmares,
      The Century of self,
      The Trap,
      The Corporation,
      The Men who made us spend,
      Manufacturing Consent

      I will update this list as i remember(my memory is horrible) and with inputs from my friends.
      If you have already read/seen these, and interested in more along the same lines, please drop me a note.

  30. Kelvin Tan Says:

    What we perceive are created by ourselves. Thinking we are all clever, we fool ourselves. If we understand, things are just as they are. And if we don’t understand thing are just as they are. Practice the middle path as taught by the Buddha. With Metta to All.

  31. selva Says:

    jakkki is life saver for many.just try isha for some time and see the difference.i have not seen any one organisation or a religion to explain spirituality this deep.for me jakki is god himself

    • Ganesh Says:

      selva bro jaggi is not god .. just your guru

    • Aniket verma Says:

      haha..this is what Jaggi ever dreamt off.. to replace god with himself and people like u are fool enough to follow him to actually make his dream come true…great going …ask ur god to make INDIA as super power after all its his mother nation….vl he ??? fuck off then .

  32. Rangu Says:

    I visited Isha twice. I cannot understand selling loin cloths in the name of God.

    Plus point was the canteen outside the premises gave good food and the bhajans were simply marvellous.

    • Venkat Says:

      I think the loin cloth is closest to the point of creation in man. We call god a creator, when does man become a creator? Only when he removes the loin cloth correct. So it’s the most spiritual product to be sold. May be holier than Rudrashk

      • Yogi Says:

        Why “sell” a holier product venkat, may be you should give them away. Especially if you already are sitting on a ton of money? Or is it something only people with money deserve ? May be poor people can’t understand it.

  33. Bala Says:

    Why cannot be a temple rich or beautiful..why cannot a spiritual guide be modern..every thing changes .. why should not these ..Sanyasam and sadgurus way are differnet..let us enjoy a modern guru.. His level of wisdom and understanding spiritual thoughts and bring it to modern lives is highly outstanding.

    .I see this bridging is need of the day..The new modern age is very different from any yet so far ..They have to face more pressures..and commitment to prove..they need the guidance..

    at above 35 years of age u need not any guidance..your experience can guide..

    This man started the transition make smooth..

    hero worship and mangod is the psyche of india..can never be changed..

    We never question a politician or an actor having luxurious cars or building cottages by destroying forest..because it took granted..even we proud of that..

    than any personality sadguru need to be taken care..such men are rare ..His basic philosophy is giving peace and happiness to common man..

    My experience is less with isha movement very less..I attended 3days programme with him..lot of answers and clarity about life and world ,I learnt in those days..

    as he commited it freshens the mind and body..and the kriya link between..my health improved..my thought process improved..it enough for me…

    it is the curse of our land..questioning and disrespecting every one..we feel little ego comfort in that..

    about the complaints about services at the ashram posted by some one..Volunteering is volunteering..this has to be taken with a service mind..if u dont like dont take it..u can walk out any time..that freedom always there..and also one point is..it is a volunteer organization..if there is a mistake..it is ours..we have to try to clear it..

    It is always difficult for anyone to admin an organisation, has lakhs of supporters, thousands of day to day duties..some complains about i didnt get a towel..or pillow cover ..shows the misunderstanding about the basics..

    my sincere guidance is try once his teachings..u will get some advantages for sure..continuing to next level is up to you..

    • Yogi Says:

      Dear Bala,

      Thank you for your comments, you ask why cant a temple be luxurious, why cant a spiritual guide be materialistic, I would have agreed with you if you were referring to any of the other stereotypes that are rampant in our society, but problem with the things you talk about, about the temples and spiritual guides is that they are hypociritical, they contradict their purpose, their nature. If i say to you i am going to help the poor, i am going to help the socitety, get money from you and instead of using that money wisely i spend millions building a cool building would you be fine with that? Would you rather not have that money used better? I think i have mentioned this in one of my previous replies too.

      About spirituality, I see a lot of guys here claim his understanding of spirituality is amazing, i wonder how you can come to that conclusion? have you read any of the scriptures? any of the hindu philosophy ? and by reading it you have came to the same conclusion or understanding as Jaggi and that is why you claim his understanding is correct? Or Are people saying his understanding of spiritual thoughts is amazing because he caters to their preconceived notions? Based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of Hindu philosophy It is pretty complex and has a lot of nuances. It is by no means simple. If people care so much about spirituality may be they should start reading them! (The three volume book, Indian Philosophy by Radhakrishnan is a nice place to start IMHO) Instead of listening to one hour talks and think they have learnt spirituality or Hinduism.

      I think this is primarily because people nowadays dont want complex things, things that take a lot of time and energy, they just want simple things neatly packaged in colourful containers so they can quickly consume it and go back to playing candy crush and their facebook status updates. (If thats the way you want to learn, that is fine, but please don’t go around saying you have understood spirituality).

      You say “it is the curse of our land..questioning and disrespecting every one..we feel little ego comfort in that..”. Problem with our society is not because people are questioning, it is because we are not questioning more, that is our real problem. People take for granted a lot of things, like stuff you said about politicians and celebrities living rich. not everybody is proud of that mind you, but the majority are and therein lies the problem. Not enough people question the inequality, Not enough people question politicians squandering “our” money, not enough people question the way women are treated, or why so many farmers die every year, or why so many corrupt people are in politics, If people had questioned more our people would have been way better. But it is easy for you people to summarily dismiss the people who dont subscribe to your thoughts as “egoists” instead of thinking critically why people say the things they say. “Ego” is used as a shorcut for so many things that the word itself angers me nowadays.

  34. Kritika Says:

    Hello.. I have a friend who is too much in this cult n blind follower of isha. Can someone who has escaped this contact me? I really want to know how i can help my friend get out of this.. Thankyou . Kindly reply here . This is urgent thanks

    • Dharmendra Says:

      Hello Kritika,
      I am interested to know more about your friend as one of my friend has joined the Isha fulltime and we also would like to help him.

      Kind regards

  35. goldenallure Says:

    Ummm I’m sorry but saying this is a scam without actually experiencing what certain people have experienced through Isha is really ignorant and rude. It is not a cult. I can garuntee it makes you a better human being. You can’t just go there once and say it’s a scam. It’s sad that people like you are giving Isha a bad name. I’m definitely one who has benefited immensely through Isha in every way of my life. Spirituality is beautiful, you shouldn’t go on saying bad about something you barely know anything about. The reason they sell what they sell is so to encourage people to buy natural and be natural, our world is so distant from what is nature. Also these crafts and items are made by people from villages and they are sold there to help these people. Please don’t spread stupid ideas when you have no idea what Sadhguru is doing for people.

  36. Senthilpavai Kasiannan Says:

    Hi Yogi,
    I have read through this entry of your blog and all the comments because I was looking for some information to confirm how I felt about Jaggi Vasudev. I should say i found a lot of resonance to your views and your words comforted me in many ways as I believe there should be faith, but not blind faith. I appreciate you taking time to share your views in this blind, split and hypocritical society we live in… in a way I find our society (India) to be kind of schizophrenic…
    Many thanks… Pavai

    • Shiv shankar Says:

      The Great Nithya Swamiji had his Time to face the “reality”, now he is still confused about his/her gender.

      Jiggi will face too!! No doubt in that..

      But there is something in common between these two- they both earned followers n $$$$$$!!!

      My only question to all Swamiji followers- why do you all need a saffron wearing long beard Swamiji to do your PERSONAL SEARCH???? CANT YOU DO IT YOURSELF??

  37. Swaminathan Venkataraman Says:

    Name it ‘kirukkal’, or sheer prattle / blabber , but to confess with a different stroke :

    Human being, not for the time being, but from time immemorial, as ever, has been,- or emphatically proved and infallibly demonstrated self to be, -a highly self-9or mutually) contracting creation, both in mind and thought, walking (?) the earth. Prefers to be insistent dogmatically upon, and questioning or doubting, any thing and everything, seen or unseen, or happening really or in own perception and imagination. In short, to borrow a modern idiom – crazy enough to take a fancy for, or enamored with the pastime of walking the talk all the time. That, perhaps, explains why the CREATOR made sure that there is an invisible control, per-destined (-ordained), over his longevity, thereby not permit any ‘aberration’, of whatever kind, to be , though perpetrated, not to be perpetuated so as to pollute, and continue to do so, the surroundings perennially, and in the result nurturing nothing but chaos, to ETERNITY.

    Simply for a change, just for sake of it, to anyone aspiring for self enlightenment, recommend to read, for knowing the deep rooted causation, ECKHART TOLLE’s , – A NEW EARTH.

    • Yogi Says:

      Ok, let me get this straight what you are saying is Because of the humans ever questioning nature, God made sure there are deviations to human thoughts, these thought disruptors (like me?) so that they will forever remain confused in chaos? But werent humans created by god too? and by extension their ever questioning nature is a product of God`s creation? so he created a confused mind to get confused?

      I really got to learn how to write from you guys, you people have the knack to structure simple thoughts in such a way that people dont half understand what the hell they are reading. I know my poor English is probably to blame for it, but man even reading classics and philosophy were much easier. Please let me know if i misread your thoughts or can you please present them in a format lame people like me can understand and learn a thing or two.I will definitely have a look at that book,Thank you.

  38. Uttam Mitra Says:

    Lot of people are cynical in what they see. Quite critical of materialism. Anyone who has a good or bad comment, should keep it to themselves. Let others decide. The choice is left to them and accordingly can decide.

  39. Kaarthikraaj Ramanan Says:

    Yogi,
    Respect your good intent here..
    Think about these..
    Why questions about the intent of Gurus/any spiritual leader when the core is just about YOGA?
    The only question i will have as a spiritual seeker is if YOGA being taught the way it is portrayed in Patanjali…
    Not just in Isha,even in Nityananda’s ashram and in Ravishankar’s programs, Yoga is being taught properly…No deviation from what is said by Patanjali…
    So i really dont care if Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev turns out to be a murderer or if he is not actually enlightened as he claims to be…
    If its proved that just proves he is bad but not Yoga and not what he taught….
    He may be a liar or a murderer….
    But there is no denial that he is my Yoga guru…
    It is through his words and throw his eyes i have seen Yoga…
    I will ever respect him for that…
    To me what is being taught is most important rather than who taught that…
    So please focus on what is being taught if you are a true spiritual seeker…
    Please write to us if there is a genuine flaw in the Yoga practises he is teaching…That will help guys like me…

    Thanks

  40. Uttam Mitra Says:

    I have recently joined this forum. Read the good and the bad. In every religious organisation, the good and the bad co-exists. If you believe in the existence of God or a Supreme Power we have a rationality to analyse good and evil. Hope you guys must have seen OMG and Peekay – the two movies which comes as an Eye-opener to the doings of some so-called spiritual charlatans. An expose which set a section of the people of this country demanding a ban on the movie – Peekay. Religious sentiments were hurt.
    I find a lot of persons here who either denigrate or try to glorify Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev. Maybe, the critics look down upon the ostentatious life style of Jaggi Vasudev, which they think that a ‘sadhu’ or a ‘sanyasi’ should shun all materialistic attachments. The defenders of the cult say it is a message that is sent out to the world at large for the benefit of humanity.
    I don’t wish to enter such a debate, where at the end, it remains undeniably unresolved. I would rather pick up the good and leave the bad. When you buy fruits or vegetables, you select the good ones and discard the others. In the same way imbibe the good and leave the bad or the rotten. It can’t be either black or white.
    My friends, to prove your point either way you don’t score brownies for it. Go ahead with life and other issues which are or should be your priorities rather than entering into a ceaseless dialogues, which never comes to an end.

    Uttam Mitra

  41. sonofthedestroyer Says:

    Listen to the message. Dont worry about the messengers personal life.

  42. Venkey Says:

    Namaskaram!!!!

    Dear Mr.Yogi says,

    Congratulations!!!!!!!

    You have won the debate.

    Now please try to relax. Your job is done. Now business is over. People will get your message simply by reading your posts. Your brain functions at very high level. U are genius. U are eye opener.

    You won!!!!!!!

    Go celebrate, party.

    But one thing I wish to say is “life begins with belief, your mother introduced your father to you, so you may believe her or you may go for a DNA test, but remember that the way you choose decides your karma”.

    shambho mahadeva!!!!

    • Yogi Says:

      Thanks a lot for your comment, You say life begins with belief,but it can also end if you go on believing the wrong people. Blind belief and faith is why you have terrorists, it is why you have people fighting against another group each thinking they are the good guys, blind belief is why millions of people die for their leaders, blind belief is why Hitlers and Stalins could kill so much people. Blind belief is why thousands of people in India fall prey to so many goddamn scammers, blind belief is why people still blindly vote for a party without critically thinking what actually benefits the society at large.

      Oh by the way i dont live for karma,i dont live my life hoping and doing things so i will get a place in heaven. My philosophy in life is very simple, do no harm to anybody, treat fellow humans the way i want to be treated thats all. If by not following your leader or his teachings blindly, i will get a “negative” karma or whatever, to hell with karma.

      Namaskaram and shambho mahadeva to you too!

  43. jivika9 Says:

    Distorted Mindset posting a blog on a Enlightened Master. Even Buddha was stoned by fools. Buddha just walked in calm meditativeness. To Fools keeping a silence is good. Fools who have prejudice and agitated are ignorant of millions of meditators who have been highly benefited by Isha,

    • Aniket verma Says:

      Hi Jivika,

      Good that you quoted Buddha, but my dear friend buddha left his elegant life, his luxuries, wealth and happiness to find peace and solace.. but ur guru jaggi is making all these materials and calls himself a peace seeker.

      Try to figure out both sides of the coin. dont be a blind beliver. What about the land grabbing issues coz of ISHA. million people specially the poor farmers suffered. he might be running few schoola and his coaching institutes for free in one or two places but what about the income tax cheating he is doing in the name of running a profit free org.??

      God bless isha ppl. its not a yoga center anymore…its a centre of mentally hipnotised ppl.

      Regards,
      ANiket

  44. David Says:

    This is addressed to original post at the top.

    I don’t disagree with your perception – it just needs to be expanded in ways you may not understand at this time. Read Thich Nhat Hanh’s book, Your True Home. It will help you to understand what I mean about perception. I appreciate your heartfelt search for something more. However, our own history of betrayal and being taken advantage of leaves us with misperceptions, leaving us “on the watch” for any opportunities where we might experience it again.

    My heart goes out to you. I pray that you one day understand what enlightenment truly is and what it is not. This entire life is based upon our own perception – from the Yoga Vasistha, “What you choose to see is what you will experience.” One must go beyond what the eyes see and see with the Heart to understand what is beyond the physical.

    My heartfelt wishes to you in your search for what lies within you.

    • Yogi Says:

      Thank you for your recommendation, i will have a look at the book.

    • Sivaramakrishnan Says:

      Yoga Vasistha also says “Question your perception… continuously keep questioning your perception…take one perception and relentlessly question only that particular perception…. as you question it will lead you to its root… Question that root it will lead you to its root…Question that root… it will reveal its root… And if your search is strong enough, rather if you are steadfast in your search, you will get to the Root of all the roots…and ultimately you will hit the TRUTH….” & when you hit that Truth, you will transcend….

      • Venkat Says:

        Hi Sivaramakrishnan:

        I shall try and explain why it is not very helpful to read texts to find the truth:

        In my view treatise like Yoga Vaistha etc are not meant for intellectual understanding.

        Just to give you a intellectual point of view, when you find the ultimate truth, how can you call it the truth. Truth exists only when the false is there. That’s y its called truth,

        When opposites cease how can you name what exists beyond. How can you perceive that. To perceive some thing there should be cognition. When there is no medium, how can there be cognition.Mind is also a medium as like eyes, ears and other senses.

        Transcendence exists as an state as opposed to Immanence.

        When both are not there how can you call that state a transcendence.

        Advaitha cant be intellectually explained. All the books can explain it away

        The non dual is a very scary state to a person who has an experience. Assume, if you wake up and you find your body has lost its boundaries. You can your neighbor become one. If you see your self in your son, daughter etc.

        Thats what happened to Arjuna when he saw Krishna’s vishwaroopam. Not sure if that is a factual incident. But the effect of such state is indicated by the wise through characters of Krishna and Arjuna

        Gautama the buddha never use to answer 10-12 questions all through his life. All the metaphysical questions were covered in those. He used to tell people to sit quietly for 1-2 years with him so that questioning mind ceases. When mind ceases you are in a state where all is know. There were people who criticized him for not answering those questions. He always used to request his people to ask questions closer to home. God, non dual enlightenment were not real problems of the seeker. A seekers real problems were jealously, sexuality, hatred and other matters concerning his energies. His meditations were focused to give you the vision and not give you the answer

        When learning mathematics, a student should learn how to solve the problem. If he looks into the answer, it would be disastrous for him. He can memorize the answers and repeat them, bit that’s not useful for becoming a mathematician. He can at most become a pundit or parrot.

        Thats what reading Yoga Vaistha and other religious texts of all religions and creeds will do to us. They give the answers and we keep repeating the same every where

        After solving one can look into the answers to check if its correct. There have been instances of students even correcting answers and finding mistakes and printing errors in solutions!

        Not sure if I have conveyed what i intended. Thankful to all the seekers and fellow travelers on the path. Peace be with all

  45. Venkat Says:

    This is also addressed to original post at the top.

    Why should poverty and spirituality be linked. Is it that an enlightened person be only poor.

    Janaka who was a king was the considered to be one of the significant enlightened person in his time. He never renounced his riches

    In fact an enlightened person should live in utmost luxury as he has realized his goal and this going to be the last time he is going to come to the physical plane. Others have many more chances to enjoy

    The poverty around is not a creation of any mystic or Jaggi Vasudev, why should he clean the mess. Logically, the mess needs to be cleaned by the person who created the mess. Is it not logical?

    The problem with an Indian mind is that it does not treat spirituality with respect. It wants matters relating to spirituality be given free of cost. Not only that it also wants prasad (food) after a spiritual event or discourse

    Even Manu the greatest systematizer in east has indicated that search of god can be left to the last phase of ones life. When you dont have energy to do your own work, you want to search for god. See the importance that is given to God or search of God

    I dont know about Isha Yoga but the article throws a lot of light on the person who has written it.

    Enlightenment is not a family property. Even if Jaggi tries his best, he cant give it to his daughter. He can give her wealth, but not inner experience

    Only when a person is fed up with material life, he can move to spirituality. if your interest is in material stuff, even if you are sitting near lord shiva, nothing will happen to you, because existence gives you so much freedom that you will have to take a decision

    So when u go to an ashram, if the material stuff interests you, please understand that you are still not ready. Its like seeing a women, if u look at her or look away from here there is some un know attraction. Indulge more and consciously untill you come to the point where u realize that these things dont matter to you

    When we were kids, we all were after toys. When u were 3 years or 4 years, even if Sunny Leon stood near you, you would not have been interested. Now, you may not be running behind toys. Its not that you renounced them. It just dropped off naturally.Like a toy materialism will drop till that wait. Else you will have to un necessarily fight

    Sadhana is for a Sadhak. Why should Jaggis daughter have to undergo that if she is not interested in spirituality
    In fact he is not partial with his family. If he was, he should have forced Sadhana on his daughter

    You need to be sympathetic towards Jaggi for that fact that he is not giving the best to his daughter and what he is giving will be taken away one day. If he gave her Sanyas , then you should crib, that he is giving some thing precious

    What will death not takeaway that Jaggi is going to take away from you? One should voluntarily surrender that to him? Money, love, relationships etc are going to taken away by death. So he is only doing that like a revision exam

    The problem with people, is that they think religion is akin to a democracy. More followers you have more its better. That y u have foolish guru’s and stupid followers. Not all enlightened teachers can be masters

    When you are on the spiritual path, leave your mind outside before getting inside. Else its going to waste of your time

    For curing disease, poverty planting trees, sanitation etc leave the stuff to Governments and CSR initiatives

    • Yogi Says:

      Dear Venkat,

      Thank you for your time and your reply. You contradict yourself in a lot of places, before that please explain what do you mean by enlightenment? Enlightenment is an abstract word, it has a lot of meanings under different context, In the west enlightenment indicates reason, analysis, and individualism, However under Buddhism it indicates an understanding of oneself, ones mindfulness.Before we even go into that please help me understand one thing, some people here ask me “When did Jaggi ever claim he was enlightened” and some people here are justifying his actions saying “enlightened people can do this” i am not sure whom to believe.

      But i agree with you in one point, if by enlightenment you mean attaining moksha by practicing yoga, then yeah you are correct. But these are philosophical treaties and in my opinion they are not to be taken literally. Because if you do then we begin to come to dangerous conclusions like “The poverty around is not a creation of any mystic or Jaggi Vasudev, why should he clean the mess.” or like “an enlightened person should live in utmost luxury as he has realized his goal and this going to be the last time he is going to come to the physical plane. Others have many more chances to enjoy”

      Do you notice how it places emphasis on ones own over everything else? This contradicts with what hinduism stands for, even you have said “Only when a person is fed up with material life, he can move to spirituality.” How does that sit well with everything you said above it. If you attain the level where you don’t care about material possessions then will that person really care about wealth? The point is such people won’t bother about luxury. Revelling in luxury in itself is materialism, is it not?
      the whole thing is contradictory, don’t you see?

      Then you said, “So when u go to an ashram, if the material stuff interests you, please understand that you are still not ready.”. This is my whole point, you won’t be interested in all those things if you are “ready”, then how come the “teacher” of all people is so interested in all those things that he spent so much money to construct them in the first place!!! If Isha yoga was not so lavishly designed or if it were held in a modest place with no harm to surroundings, then you can say this.

      I agree with all your points on his daughter though, she should be free to do whatever she wants.

      “What will death not takeaway that Jaggi is going to take away from you?” So mind sharing your wealth with all of us? Or to a Non profit? why Jaggi?

      You said you learnt about me from my article, do you know what i learnt about you? From your comment I think you are some spiritual rich guy who is afraid that to be enlightened you have to lose your wealth, even though you talked about materialism i think you are heavily attached to it, so you are developing these complex logic in your mind to justify what you do! Oh and you don’t want to help others because that is not your problem, you didn’t create the problem why should you bother. Who cares about doing the right thing, lets just do yoga and go to heaven!! If everybody thought like that i wonder how our society would be.

      • Venkat Says:

        Hi Yogi

        By enlightenment what I mean is when consciousness is with out content. When i describe a person a enlightened i mean that he recognizes this state of consciousness with out content. By Spirituality, I mean the process when a person desires to know this consciousness which has no content. I am not very familiar about various religions and hence cant comment about how they define.

        This state is available to all. Its a question whether one realizes the state or not. This state is with in Jaggi as much as its with in Yogi, and all the beings. Whether we know this or not the state is the real issue. (Obviously not be reading books but existentially)

        So that why i am saying that it does not matter if you are rich or poor. There were economically rich people who experienced the sate without relinquishing their riches (eg Krishna, Janaka). There were people who were economically poor who experienced this state with out becoming economically rich ( eg: Jesus and Kabir)

        There were economically rich people who relinquished riches and experienced this state (eg: Gautam Buddha and Mahavira)

        This state is your nature and your are born with this. Rich or poor is not a concern.

        All I am saying is that we go to places like Isha or other gurus to know how to realize this truth (which is the spiritual journey). We need to be focused on what we need. Real Spiritual Journey is one of the most selfish endeavors that man can take and very silly issues can distract man from his goal. In spiritual journey the mantra is Judge ye not. What Jaggi does is his problem. He will get exposed if he is false one day. But if your purpose to go to him spiritual, then you can never get cheated.

        Yes there are false guru’s, but if one is sincere in his search and not cunning you will never get deceived. If a guru does not fit, its better to move on in life searching for another guru. Just be thankful to that person that he has helped you a little bit in finding your true guru. Also when there is a counterfeit currency, please know that there is a real currency.

        My view is that you renounce wealth only when you consider that a precious thing. Money is utilitarian and i dont have a view about that (its good or bad). Its like eyes- its useful. There are things you can buy with money and many you cant. Knowing that is very important.

        In my view tree is real. Forest is a myth. You are a tree and its only you that you can change. Let every one handle his mess. That much of freedom we should give others. Society will change when every one takes care of himself

        At least give Jaggi some credit that he a built an oasis for meditation. It will be difficult to meditate in a dingy place initially. Once you become an adept you can mediate in the market place and if you become a siddha you can renounce that also. When nothing is to be done – life is a leela

        I dont fully know my self, how can i know you Yogi. My comments were made to you in order bring only one point to you that in a spiritual journey dont bother about the non essential. Other than knowing the consciousnesses with out content- rest is all non essential

        To sum up Zen monks have been saying a very beautiful statement – In meditation when you encounter a buddha, cut him to pieces. In the morning they pray to him with ultimate reverence. Life is contradictory. To live with contradictions is living fully. Night is required as much as sunlight is required. Even though you call Sun a god, if night does not come life will not be colorful. So may stars moon etc, that beauty is because of night.

      • Yogi Says:

        Thanks for a wonderful comment Venkat, that was really good.

        I can’t really comment much on your definition of enlightenment because by definition it is not quantifiable.But Here’s the thing, you say though there are a lot of scammer`s, Jaggi isn’t one and that we can’t be deceived. I am curious, can you tell me how you found out he is enlightened. I want to be able to identify people who have understood their consciousness fully? If I say I am enlightened tomorrow, how will you prove me wrong?

        The examples you give are all people from mythology and i have trouble accepting that, can you give me an example of a person not from mythology who is enlightened and at the same time enjoyed his riches?

        You say if we are sincere in our search we can’t be fooled, I beg to differ. Our brains are a lot more complex than that. Our brains are a result of millions of years of evolution, it was not designed to be “perfect” or rational. It has a lot of peculiarities, it has lot of biases. It is in fact very easy to fool people. Look around, the world around us is designed to use our shortcomings. Advertisements and marketing are a good example. Sincerity doesn’t mean anything.

        You said “Tree is real, forest is a myth”. Can you please help me understand how you came to adhere to this philosophy? I am curious because what you are saying is western philosophy, it focuses on individuality and individual rights. By contrast our philosophy and in general almost all east Asian philosophies focus on the society as a whole. It puts the well being of the society over individual rights and well being. If you notice closely, our morality and traditions reflect this sentiment clearly. In our society we are meant to take care of each other. Not everybody are in a “mess” because of their fault, nor everybody has the knowledge or money or time or mental capacity to get out of their “mess”. It is only humane to take care of each other.

        Regarding renouncing of wealth, you say people renounce wealth if they feel it`s precious, In my view it is the exact opposite. Please look at money from a broader point of view, beyond their obvious use. People renounce wealth because of what it stands for, It is the great divider of people, the symbol of inequality, the tempter of evil, the source if jealousy, the harbinger of consumerism. We all are born in this world pure and devoid of anything, this earth belongs to each one of use, but lot of children end up dying because they cant afford food while there are people who will spend millions for their children’s marriage. If you think about it, it is pretty disgusting.

        You say “What Jaggi does is his problem. He will get exposed if he is false one day. But if your purpose to go to him spiritual, then you can never get cheated.” I cant really wrap my mind around this, You are saying if you trust him and if he fails you tomorrow it is his problem alone? First of all how can you trust somebody blindly, especially when things look so sketchy? If you come to know that he was wrong all the time at a later point of time, wont it affect you? Wouldn’t it mean you wasted all your time, how can it be his problem alone?

        You say at least give credit to the meditation chamber they have built, you mean the mercury infused meditating chamber they built destroying the forest? Please read about mercury poisoning. Even if it was the greatest meditating place in the whole wide world, we have to check what is the cost we are paying for it. Historically almost all the intelligent scammer`s do good things like build hospitals, open schools, so that one day when they do get exposed, people like you can come around and defend their organization, so they can have the support of general public. Which is why we have to focus on all the things an organization is trying to do as a whole, instead of just focusing on one or two things.

    • Sivaramakrishnan Says:

      Mr Venkat, you are absolutely right… an enlightened person need not live in poverty, he can enjoy every luxury in life… But please understand he cannot/should not allow his stature to be misused… But unfortunately and invariably any organization he starts or any organization which is centered around him over a period of time goes out of his control and becomes a money spinning industry….

      • Venkat Says:

        Shiva, an enlightened person is one who does not have an individual will. He has merged in the whole. His vision is very difficult understand unless we have the same vision. That’s y I am telling, please endevour to get that vision in the first place and rest can follow. Our vision is rooted in duality. For an enlightened man, there is no duality. Actually a vision of an enlightened man is very scary and it can be considered to be against perceived morality. That’s y these things were hidden. Only when man was really interested he was exposed. Curiosity is the original sin. Man is yet not evolved. Small things can push him from the search. Some foolish gurus have started speaking about these matters openly and curious people get attracted. In zen and Sufi traditions you were not given instructions until you waited patiently for ten years. Masters will not even see you eye to eye, you could not ask questions. You need wait until you we’re ready. It could be ten years or more. If you are ready for such stuff seek spirituality. Else try bakthi Marga. But for that to work also you need to mad in love like meera or so innocent like Kannapa nayanar. But do we have that mettle like that?

  46. Prahlad Jaya Says:

    Firstly, Hinduism is not a religion and a Hindu is not a religious identity but merely a geographical identity. Sadhguru, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Dr. N. Gopalakrishnan and many others have all spoken about this, clear explanations are available on youtube.

    Sadhguru is a realised spiritual master who is able to spread insights on a dimension beyond physicality, which is the consciousness. This consciousness is present in every atom of existence, it is an energy from which the materialistic world originates.

    He used to conduct free yoga classes with the aim of attracting others to explore such a possibility within our very existence. However when a person becomes more and more popular, organisations are set up which then grow in a rapid pace and politics inevitably kick in. As these organisations continuously expand, power is divided among vast numbers of people across the world. This will result in the NGO becoming much more profit oriented just like any other commercial firm. A lot of their products are being advertised as “100% herbal”, “No Preservatives”, etc. but in reality they are heavily packed with chemicals but still contain minimum herbs. This does not mean that the products are not effective.

    At first, I questioned why such organisations are so corrupted even though their heads are highly knowledgable human beings? Why nothing truly informative and positive appears on TV? I understood that we are being programmed to see the world in a specific pattern. This “pattern” is clearly explained by “David Icke” and “Healer Baskar”. They have free videos on youtube in which they dwell deep into what is actually happening in our world. Once you grasp the key concept of their talks, you will be able to practically understand how the world is being manipulated so effectively, making us extremely blind. It will be sufficient to analyse Isha, Art Of Living, and all these foundations.

    I would also like to take this opportunity to introduce you to a therapy called Anatomic therapy. It involves no medicine, tablet and no need to purchase any product at all. In the treatment, Healer Baskar just talks about how every cell in our body functions in very lay man terms and the route cause of any ailment in the world. He then explains very simply how to cure any disease in a matter of less than a year. He is not at all profit oriented as he does not sell any food supplement or any medicinal herbs, etc. but purely educates us on how to cure our own diseases

    Please check out the videos of all these people, and lets spread constructive knowledge to everyone we can possibly reach out to!

    • Yogi Says:

      Hi Prahlad,

      Thank you for your insight. To learn about what Hinduism stands for or how it came about, how the individual religions came under a common banner you don’t have to listen to these guys, its not that only they know, even history books are sufficient, only we don’t take time to look at the right place.

      For instance do you know how Ganesh Chaturthi came to be celebrated all over India? Do you know it is related to the independence movement? and how Tilak used it to create a grass root movement to unite people against the British? Do you know why we have the custom having these huge processions? to unite people and spread information. Guess where i got this information from? history books.

      Guess where those guys you mentioned got their information from? Most likely from history books. They didn’t get it from thin air.

      You seem to be merging philosophy with reality “This consciousness is present in every atom of existence, it is an energy from which the materialistic world originates.” what is the basis of this? what does this even mean are you saying atoms have consciousness? what is this energy you speak of? you mean the energy in an atom?

      Science and spirituality don’t mix, please don’t attempt to mix them. These religious figure heads like the people you have mentioned clearly understand that the common lay man does not understand science, so they use scientific sounding words to impress people but these things don’t have any scientific basis and if you talk to a proper scientist he/she will laugh at our face for being so naive.

      They use our lack of knowledge to their advantage, spreading propaganda and attempt to live off of it. You assume the leaders are good, its only the organizations that surround them are corrupt, But i think otherwise, I think these leaders they are just very intelligent people who use their charisma to fool us. Because if you are the most important person in an organization, if without you the Organization cannot exist, then its only you who will control the organization, right?

      Regarding David Icke and the local guy “Healer” baskar, David icke makes some interesting points regarding economics, growth, environment ,he talks factual mostly but his conclusions are not always level headed. You have to take the information from him with a grain of salt. For instance he believed there are shape shifting lizard aliens who control the earth, he says moon is an artificial structure created by the so called lizard people. He is pretty much up there along with Scientology if you ask me. Oh he also says volcanoes are created by all the negative thoughts we have and because of what we have done to earth. None of these things are scientific, and don’t have any basis other than his word. so while some points he makes are pretty good but please for the love of god don’t believe everything he says.

      If you begin to start looking for patterns you will find them everywhere, only reinforcing your beliefs. sometimes we need to step back and ask ourselves which is more logical. This pattern searching is the basis for almost all the conspiracy theories. For instance there was this one guy who was tracking the missing Malaysian flight and ended up finding “proofs” that the plane was hijacked by Russia, but he realized what he was doing and stopped doing it. He understood the shortcomings of his/our brain. Please read the article, it offers very interesting insight http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html

      Don’t even get me started on Healer Baskar, my friend almost lost his kidney because of that guy. See people like Baskar (there are lot of people like him and I wont call him a Healer) do not have any understanding of human biology or science, these guys simply sit and think over the experiences they have had and based on their understanding they formulate a theory, a theory which they firmly believe is how things work, and most of these people don’t even have a good formal education to start with (you know the status of our education system in India).

      What this Bhaskar guy says is essentially your body can cure any illness you throw at it, because your body has this separate knowledge (apart from your brain) of its own, which it uses to maintain its well being. Like since body can generate heart and kidneys during child birth (for the child), it can by extension heal its own self, because think about it if a body can generate any body part it should also be able to replace or heal anything right? WRONG, NO they are totally different mechanisms, just because from the outside they appear logical does not mean they are true. Even entry level medical students will be able to tell you how ridiculous the whole thing is.

      Forget the scientific part of it, lets use some common sense, If it were true we should be able to regenerate our own hands if it were to be cut off, how many people have had their hands and feet regrown? If what he says is true , if he can cure cancer why not take all the cancer patients of the world to him and let him cure it? why not help all the people who die every single day? he will become a millionaire within a fortnight. Companies will scoop him up.

      See Personally baskar might be a nice guy but he is seriously deluded, he has invested so much time and money on his theory so it wil be very difficult to come out of it. If what he does and the myriad of other pseudo scientific things like pranic healing appear to work, it is mostly because of Placebo.

      Do you know how medicines are formulated? do you know how a cure for each disease is found out? do you believe in vaccines? every medicine has to go through a series to trials before it can even come for human use., A rigorous process is followed to understand and try to fix a disease. I am not saying things are fool proof and not all Pharmaceuticals, hospitals and doctors are operating in our interests, but to reject the whole system and go on believing some guy because he thought about it while half asleep in his bed makes zero sense. You people want to use the latest technology that science has to offer, what smartphone do you use by the way? which car do you own? But you are willing to reject science because it “appears” wrong to you!! at least try to read up on the subject or talk to somebody who is an expert in the field before coming to a conclusion.

      Its good to question everything, but please question your so called “leaders” too, no one is infallible, If you become a fan of somebody you will stop looking at things objectively and begin to accept everything they say. the only way out of this is to learn more.

      I like the general point of your comment, you seem to be level headed and think through things, but i am afraid you are getting your information from all the wrong people. Please have a bit of skepticism in your thoughts.

  47. rdugg Says:

    Awesome discussion except for Mahadev’s emotional comments and faul language. People are trying to justify Jaggi’s actions. It is sad. Religion or religious gurus breed dependency. The weak and vulnerable people can be easily addicted to either alcohol or religion. Selvaperumaal with the help of Isha made himself better. So are millions of Ayyappa devotees keep 40 days away from alcohol, and smoking etc. This does not prove either Ayyappa or Isha traing has any powers. All this is in faith. People have faith in doing something to get something. Then they start believing that whatever they did made them better. Belief isolates people.

    It is possible to keep oneself away from bad habits without depending upon a religion, or guru a training. The determination is within. Only thing can truly help an individual is self-awareness.

    Only when one can see beyond his belief, he will have a clear view of life and this world.

    We have wisdom from ancient scriptures. Rigveda suggests that ” “let a noble thought every corner of life.If you feel something is wrong question it. If you are in doubt question it”.

    Avoiding this discussion, or not having a discussion like this is no solution. It is a pure escapist philosophy. In fact discussions like this should strengthen our thoughts and bring courage.

    Let us not fear to admit that all gurus take advantage of weak and vulnerable people. All contemporary gurus without any exception are pursuing funds, wealth and travel to get more funds. Viswamji, Jiyyar swami, Amma, Sahaja Yoga Nirmala Devi etc way too many spiritual gurus frequently visit USA. Sadhguru is no exception. Each ticket to attend his lecture costs $25 -$50 depending upon the seat location.

    Imagine a trip to USA with lectures in 50 cities, and 1000 people attending each lecture. All this money is hard earned tax payers money and goes into “development” activities. We see only organizations grow and not their surroundings. Gurus make money for their own welfare and not to bring any change.

    I am hoping to hike the Velliangiri mountain to challenge myself and improve my fitness levels.

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    • Yogi Says:

      Thanks for a great comment. Velliangiri trek is really great. Don’t miss the soda’s they sell on the way. Have a pleasant trip.

  48. venkat Says:

    why ppl forget/overlook simple thinking? Real gurus who can enlighten others don’t lead such a wealthy life. Gurus like Ramakrishna paramahamsa, Ramana, kanchi Chandrasekharendra Swaraswati(Maha preiyava) resemble with gr8 Spiritual vibrations and can enlighten a least person in any kind of world.
    With hummers/private helicopters ppl like JAGGI is definitely a fraud hypnotizing others with yoga. he could even be lesser than BABA RAMDEV who can perform all kinds of yogasanaas.

    • Venkat Says:

      Why do you pegion hole enlightened people. Hindu gods were always identified by their vehicle. Lord Muruga had peacock, lion was used by Amba etc. now blue cross will arrest u if u use them. So we have to use hummers. I feel there is some thing sick with the Indian mind that they worship poverty

      • Yogi Says:

        Ha ha thanks for the laugh, The image of lord muruga driving a hummer really does crack me up. By the way renouncing materialistic life is not the same as worshipping poverty.

  49. shivkumar Says:

    jaggi vasudev has murdered his wife and he has to answeer that before answering many questions

    • Venkat Says:

      Hi Shiva Kumar how have you concluded that fact. Did you witness the incident or what is the basis of such statement. I am sure you are not naive to come to this conclusion after reading some newspaper.

  50. kdkdkdk Says:

    budha was also cursed in his times

  51. Usha prabha Says:

    Dear Mr Yogi.. First of all you you don’t take the responsibility of the entire nation and try to rub your views on them.. We just give up pennies may be a week end trip or a restaurant visit to spend for the program.. I experimented for 48 days and my life changed miraculously.. let all have the same personal opinions positive or negative.. You please don’t take trouble to hypnotize people with your opinions.. Let each one make their own after the experiment. If you don’t like it don’t come back again…

    • Yogi Says:

      Dear usha, how is it that mentioning an opinion becomes taking responsibility of an entire nation? Since when is it wrong to question something? Am i hypnotizing, or those who run events across the country spending lakhs in advertisements ?

  52. Venkat Says:

    @ Yogi

    The problem is you are stuck in your head. There are other ways of knowing and thinking is the most rudimentary. You are asking how can I trust, when things are sketchy. I am telling u that the trust that born when you trust a man who is not appearing to be trustworthy is far more superior than trusting some one who is trustable like Raman Maharishi or Maha Peryiava who are very clean. Your faculty of trust does not grow. It’s like trying to pump your hand without iron. Muscle won’t grow. For muscle to grow u need iron. I feel even Jaggi is a soft seer. You Ned company of rascal saints like G.I.Gurudjieff who can smash you head and ego.

    Yogi have u ever fallen in love. Did u think before and evaluate if the person and see if she will fit u,ur family etc. then that’s not love. It’s a wild flower and it blooms spontaneously. Now don’t give me statistics of divorces that come out of love marriages and suffering that children undergo. That’s got nothing to do with love. It’s falling because of expectations which people have.

    If I say think about the tree and forget the forest, you say it’s western philosophy, were individual is given importance and eastern has always given importance to society. If gurus start doing social stuff like hospital, school u say they want to hide

    I think u should do isha prog for 90 days without ur mind coming in. Then check if it has helped you. Some thing in your unconscious is stopping you and your rationalizing why u don’t want to do yoga

    • nagendra Says:

      I will join in couple of months about isha

    • Yogi Says:

      Dear Venkat, thanks for keeping this discussion going.
      The things you mention appear to me like fairy tales, trying to say there is something more to something than apparently there is.
      Trust is awesome, until you realize you misplaced your trust. May be you have never been cheated in your life ( which is good and I am happy for you) but not everybody are so lucky. There are so many scams running in our country that I have wondered how people can be so gullible. If you don’t have problem with ethics it is very very easy to become rich in India. People are willing to believe anything that seems advantageous to them.

      To give you an example, there was a company here selling a sticker that you stick on your phone so your brain is not affected by the “radiation”, later they started selling for TV’s also. Go figure! Then there are all these finance companies which promised ridiculous rate of interests then ran away with peoples money. The latest emu bird scam, I can keep going. It is depressing to see so many people getting fooled by their “trust”. So please don’t tell me we should trust Jaggi just because you feel like it.

      Ah love, the most romanticized emotion. To be honest I have thought about love more than anything else, and yes I have fallen in love and have been loved ( long story ).
      Anyway it took me a long time to understand that love is not what is shown in movies, there is an underlying psychological explanation for people to whom we are attracted to, it could be a physical trait, a character trait or a million other things. Even advertisements and stories we read can influence the kind of people we are attracted to. So i am sorry i don’t find that to be “magical”.

      My past experience with Isha indicates that i will probably be really furious If i do attend and beyond that it is against my philosophy to support these kind of people.

      • Venkat Says:

        Hi Yogi,

        Fairy tales tell u some truths which you can not other wise communicate. My finger is pointing to the moon. You miss the moon and bite my finger.

      • Bhadve Says:

        Yogi must improve English and writings of his. Did not you know how to grammar your sentences. Lot of rightings for long years. no work he has i think. get job and listen to saddy’s talk on free google and enjoy learnings. why time waste righting for no reason. saddu is good talker and we must enjoy his talk and spend more money at his house. he must be paid for work he does. i hope you all will always agree to this all the time in the future from now onwards. Jaggu’s products are good quality and cheap as chips. take care u all will you not. bless the god always

  53. sonia Says:

    The modern day formula of success, HOW to EAT, and HOW to BREATH, teach this simple tacts and become a millionarie….No wonder we find weight loss clinics and fraud gurus who are manipulating simple tacts and looting common people.

    Breathing is patanjali sutra and neither it is patented by sri sri sri nor isha….wake up people….

    It is simple. Dont fall for stupid things and lose your money and hype others so much

    • Venkat Says:

      Hi Sonia

      can you tell me where yoga guru Pathanjali is taking classes in India for me to go and attend. Un fortunately I don’t know sanskrit and hence I need a guide. Where to go? either to item gar classes or isha. Both are same costs

  54. kunal Says:

    @Yogi Nice topic of discussions, questions like this make for an open society where people can question their own beliefs and go to the root of the problem. Unless we have the yearning to find out the truth, we are stuck in this belief system.

    No human needs to be elevated to a god status and for that matter Guru is God kind of analogy leads to blind faith system which is dangerous. For me Guru is simply a tool ; an external help, use it when you really have tried everything possible with yourself in raising your self awareness.

    If there are some tools and methods available which can help us , big yes to use it for our benefit, respect the person who showed u the way. That’s it! The aim should be the process , techniques and not the person who has introduced us to the same. I think that’s what most people mix it up with and get confused.

    At the end of the day , every one is a human being and can err ; has to be responsible for his actions or pay for it. Laws of nature work the same for everyone.

    I found out that you seem to have some issues with terms like vibrations and energy? Is it in context to your Isha experience? Would you shed some more light on it.

  55. kunal Says:

    In continuation to my post and in cognizant of the topic of this thread, can we answer the following, to kind of put this into right perspective:-
    Copy, pasting URLs from here and there is fine , but they dont give us any complete information.
    1) like if sadguru is being accused of killing his wife for some other lady, then what is his relationship with his daughter?. I assume if you and me are aware of this theory , then his daughter would also be knowing this. Can we get some more legit information on this, not some stranger or third party saying something. Some legit info. Is there any court case or a police FIR for this?
    2) I am still OK with the money side of the business, considering the work which Isha is doing, you need money for that. Selling stuff in dollars or rs is OK as per me as far as the person who is buying it doesn’t complain. People spend huge amounts of money on useless stuff, if some rosary or stone , ring or whatever gives them some solace , some tools and techniques and they are OK in paying for it, then it should not be a problem. I see it in that perspective. I see it as a pure transaction , you give something and you take something. I am not sure about you, but friend for most of the people simple breathing process is a surprise or puzzle. We have never been taught how to breathe properly. Simple things in life have been forgotten coz of which chronic ailments like bp, coronary diseases have come up. If some one is paying to be blissful or happy why should that be a problem?
    3) Land grabbing issue , is a serious charge and I am pretty sure that there would be some court cases on this. Do you have any official legal notices, or court documents to prove that charge? Not some random people commenting on it but some valid details in black and white.
    4) coming on Hinduism, I think this is a loaded term. What we call sanatan dharma in India , outsiders call it Hinduism. But it actually is no ism. Its not based on some heaven hell theory or some faith , but it talks about the life as is and simple techniques to transform it. Its a pure science, but as happens with every religion rituals and dogmas crop up over the time and the real spirit it lost. Hinduism is a recent cooked up term as compared to sanatan dharma. I think we should be mindful of the differences between the two. I dont want to digress but I still stand with Isha on this when they say they dont follow any religion as such. The context is really important here.
    5) why is his daughter not volunteering is a personal choice I guess. Maybe if you meet her next time , you should ask her. Like wise as far as I know, no one is forcing daughters and sons of other people to become volunteers, I assume it is their personal choice, unless we have some proofs of the opposite case.

    It would make more sense if you actually would do some more research on this topic like the actual investigators do to give some factual information. If you really want to lay this thing to rest or do justice to what you have started. Otherwise it would seem that you are like those India news channels only interested in TRP :-). This would also make justice to your name Yogi :-) so be a true yogi :-)
    Right now it seems half here half there, if you know what I mean. I appreciate your aversion for blind faith though. Peace :-)

  56. sonia Says:

    Hi Venkat,

    Sorry to know your state. Vipasana centres teach perfect meditation by giving free accomodation and food for 10 days. You could give a try. Breathing is simple but much hyped by these fake gurus who are spiritual business gurus.First of all realized persons do not come into fame nor they are interested in giving TV shows and taking so much lame publicity.

    When you find time read this blog http://www.manblunderplus.com/2014/02/shiva-in-conversation-with-shakti-part-2.html

    It is a treasure. Every breathing tacts and what is life, how to breath and how to live and priceless information is published free of cost. This is spirituality. This is what is called service to humanity. Just not buliding big ashrams, in meto citiies, advertise so intensiely in all IT companies and introduce the concept of INNER INGENIEERING with big banners to attract people. Thank god there still many Great GURUS left in India who have not sold God.

    Do not do join any ahsrams…..Just read all the articles published in blog related to meditation, and start practicing it. And help the others too.

    • Venkat Says:

      Thanks Sonia for the link and the vipasana centers. I shall go and try the same

      All i meant to say was you need to be a disciple for you to learn. Head needs to be put-off.

      But yoga and meditation are stuff you cant practice by reading manuals or dummies. There is some amount of subjectivity of the person who is practicing the Asana which needs a teacher.

      Also right from my school days i have required additional support like coaching etc as i have don’t have a sharp intellect that can be self thought

      Spirituality is considered as the highest attainment and you need to pay with your life. Money may not be enough. I need a living master. If i get cheated at Isha, its fine. I will search till i find some one with whom my energies will fit

      At this point of time Isha appears to be fitting. Actually, i got curious after reading Yogi’s blog and tried Isha. When so may people are writing negatively, then there should be some thing positive there. Humanity likes dead masters and a dead god as they can manipulate as they like. A living master is dangerous. You dont know when the next video is going to go viral on your master. Naturally your ego is going to be hurt

      I know its like playing with fire but anyways one day all have to play with it. Let me see what I have that cannot be taken away by death can be taken away by Jaggi

  57. Soulful Says:

    Hmm…i really believe you are the most foolish person to see evil in everything??? Surely life has beaten u down to be a very sad and pathetic soul..this human form is wasted on u..ur post screams of depression,angst and jealousy..life will teach u its ways in time…ull be running back to sadhguru for answers..i pity u

  58. Soulful Says:

    And yeah , whats wrong with isha yoga being about hinduism..are u a paki or just a case of sour grapes….being hindu is like a curse now..cant we ever be proud of our religion even for a second..pgs like u have to shit on everything

  59. ugmadhu Says:

    I remember UG Krishnamurti’s words denouncing ashram as worse than brothels.

    Jaggi Vasudev, Nityananda and Sri Sri Ravishakar are basically ‘pleasure’ peddlers.

    There is blooming market for them.

    Gullible people are millions in number across the globe to buy the shoddy goods sold by these fake gurus.

  60. ugmadhu Says:

    Some more criminals in the spiritual business are Osho and Kalki Bhagavan, Asaram etc…

    The list is endless….

  61. ramakrishna Says:

    Jaggi basically repackages great ideas from Hinduism. Removes all links to the source(Hinduism) to make it appeal to “modern” Indians and foreigners. One may ask what is wrong in that ? If one accepts this, well then what is wrong if a scientist steals ideas from other published materials ?

    His teaching is all random bit and pieces ripped off from Hinduism. He says he himself stumbled upon the truth there is no systematic way to reach the same point.

    Unlike traditional gurus he craves for publicity and there is lot of self aggrandizement. Unfortunately the typical modern Hindu is so removed from his tradition he easily falls for this.

  62. ishani dhakras Says:

    if you open your mind and look within yourself for a while,while you are in the ashram, you will understand what you are missing by living life on such doubts.It is indeed a beautiful place to be in and what they preach and ask us to practice does result in good.If you really shut all your doubts only then will you be able to see what sadhguru has to give here. Regardless of what you experianced at the ashram,i suggest you visit it once more and see for yourself.See if you can dissolve all your doubts and just be yourself :-)

  63. sarkhandia Says:

    It’s hard to be like The Moon, but easy to spit on Moon.

    God Bless you guys!!!

  64. ritika acharya Says:

    Thanks for all this research and hard work. Thanks a lot. Jaggi comes to Ndtv every second day. We knew he is a cheat but this info is really helpful

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